Yusei recently dabbled into this question herself at Zelda Temple, but it is a fair question to ask. Ganon/dorf has been around in the Zelda world from the very beginning. I mean, really, how powerful is a being who keeps “easily” being defeated over and over again in the same fashion? He never seems to learn, and keeps going with the same plan over and over again. On top of that, since he never wins, what sort of threat is he? Is the Triforce of Power, for example, really that powerful? It’s a nice talking point: So what do you think? Is the staple bad guy, Ganon, really that powerful?

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  • You can't make the villain win. What kind of game would it be where the player has to lose? And Nintendo won't make a game where you have to play as the bad guy.

    • I'm not saying he should win. I'm just saying which one is better. Malladus seems better because he required no powerful item like Ganon.

  • You can't make the villain win. What kind of game would it be where the player has to lose? And Nintendo won't make a game where you have to play as the bad guy.

    • I'm not saying he should win. I'm just saying which one is better. Malladus seems better because he required no powerful item like Ganon.

  • i don't think it means really that powerful, he's the biggest manipulator and smartest of any bad guy they have in zelda, why i say this, look how he uses other villians in the other games, and because he has the triforce of power.

  • Deku_Scrub

    story-wise, he seems to be weak, yes. But if Ganon boss fights were really REALLY hard, would this article been written?

    • ZeldaMaster#1#1

      But they aren't terribly difficult. Malladus wasn't really hard, but it did get frustrating at time, where Ganon is swing swing hit final boss over.

      If Ganon was an evil based on his own power, not outside sources, yes, him and Malladus would either tie or surpass. Nonetheless, this isn't the case. According to the original article by Yusei, Malladus could've destroyed the world anyways (though getting rid of Link is easy without a world to live on…).

      Malladus definitely. A lot of red-underlined words here.

  • Deku_Scrub

    story-wise, he seems to be weak, yes. But if Ganon boss fights were really REALLY hard, would this article been written?

    • ZeldaMaster#1#1

      But they aren't terribly difficult. Malladus wasn't really hard, but it did get frustrating at time, where Ganon is swing swing hit final boss over.

      If Ganon was an evil based on his own power, not outside sources, yes, him and Malladus would either tie or surpass. Nonetheless, this isn't the case. According to the original article by Yusei, Malladus could've destroyed the world anyways (though getting rid of Link is easy without a world to live on…).

      Malladus definitely. A lot of red-underlined words here.

  • lugeasilver

    Heres the thing, Ganon has the ability to spread evil through the land with a wave of his hand. Maybe he doesn't have raw brute strength, but he is one hell of a summoner at the very least, if he's able to create an entire Zelda game's worth of villains to get in your way, not to mention the bosses he conjures up. Ganon just hasn't found a good balance, between minion and boss. If he focuses too much on bosses, then taking over the world ends up being too time consuming, and his creatures will eventually fall. If he focuses too much on minions (like he seems to do) then his overall army is slowly picked off one by one. So I don't think this is so much a power issue, as poor planning. Or…maybe Ganon's summoning ability has a level cap for his monsters. If thats the case, then he just needs to revive something even nastier. Whatever it is, I'm sure he could easily control it.

  • Sanity's_Theif

    Yes he's powerful, it's just Link always gets some help from the sages to seal him away, or Zelda shooting light arrows to stun him, or getting a silver arrow or something.

    Link always finds and Achilles's heel on Ganondorf or he just has backup(what I've seen happen the most).

    Without those Link would never win.

  • PokeJon777

    Ganondorf is probably strong as in he has political power, if he can constantly take over Hyrule/ The Great Sea/ The Sacred Realm/ Whatever Else, and spread his evil so easily, he has to be very politically powerful. And, whenever Link beats Ganondorf, it's only after going on a long quest in order to find some extremely holy or powerful object, usually, according to the games, being the only things capable of defeating him.

  • Iroas

    Maybe we should question Link's power instead.

  • Iroas

    Maybe we should question Link's power instead.

  • Art1st4786

    Probably the most powerful Ganon/dorf in the series is the one from Ocarina of Time. Like everyone said above me, not only did he create endless bosses and monsters throughout Hyrule, can only be killed by the Master Sword, and is strong politically, let's not forget that, in Ocarina of Time, he actually SUCCEEDED in his goal for seven years! He had control of Hyrule for that period of time and acquired the Triforce of Power. If he had gotten rid of Link as a child, he could have been unstoppable–that was his biggest flaw.

  • Thank you for posting my article on here… I'm actually blushing a bit. Didn't think it was that good to be mentioned.

    I mainly was focusing here on how in order to become powerful enough to beat Link, Ganondorf required the Triforce of Power or the Trident of Power. Malladus needed nothing but a new vessel.

  • Dan the man

    I say they make it in Zelda Wii so Ganondorf and Link have to work together to kill an even more evil guy. But once that evil guy is dead ganondorf turns evil.

    • Guest

      That is perfect. But just put the really big threat as one of the first 4 or 5 bosses, Ganondorf turns back to evil but Link doesn't see this coming. Then Nintendo should have it so that Ganondorf is immune to every weapon that Link already has. He then goes through a few dungeons, gets the Master Sword (even though it was stated that it might not be in the game) gets items, goes through more dungeons. After that, he battles Ganondorf but only limited to his sword and Light Arrows.

  • Dan the man

    I say they make it in Zelda Wii so Ganondorf and Link have to work together to kill an even more evil guy. But once that evil guy is dead ganondorf turns evil.

  • Tommyboy000

    Ganon isn't really THAT powerfull, but i don't think it's only his power, it's also the overworld look, for example: in OoT when you're adult Link the overworld seems in chaos and evil. In twilight Princess it doens't really return. Besides that, Ganon handed a sword in TP, i liked the swordfight, but wasn't Ganon an evil wizzard or something? ah well…
    But his power MUST increase, i mean, if courage can defeat the power, are you really that powerfull? Link doesn't really seem that powerfull -_-
    but he has the master sworde, so that makes up for it 😛

  • LinksZelda12

    Maybe ganon will be more of a badass in the new Zelda Wii!

    Hey all, i work at gamestop, and i I have seen the projected relaease date for the New Zelda Wii. It says November 1st, 2010 on our computers, which means it could come out anytime in november, or it may not. This is what the company told us, so ill def keep everyone posted.

  • LinksZelda12

    Maybe ganon will be more of a badass in the new Zelda Wii!

    Hey all, i work at gamestop, and i I have seen the projected relaease date for the New Zelda Wii. It says November 1st, 2010 on our computers, which means it could come out anytime in november, or it may not. This is what the company told us, so ill def keep everyone posted.

  • Crazymallets

    Yes Ganondorf is that powerful. Just look at Oot and TP. In Oot, he was able to curese the great Deku Tree, and cause all kinds of disasters across hyrule with out even the triforce. After he got the Triforce of Power, he was able to use he magic to cause an entire castle to collapse AFTER being ran through how many times with a blade? Plus he survives having a castle collapse on top of him and can still fight with out a problem.

    In TP, after being ran through by a magical sword from the sages, he broke free of chains and killed one of the sages in a second. Not to mention he was able to defeat a full powered Midna. He was the source of Zant's power, and we all saw how immensely powerful that guy was.

  • Rayde

    The triforce of power is really powerful, just not as powerful as the triforce of wisdom and courage combined.

  • Rayde

    The triforce of power is really powerful, just not as powerful as the triforce of wisdom and courage combined.

  • Kerbherus

    I think the triforce pieces go to the person that represents the total opposite.
    Link's not courageous, he's a stupid that doesn't have the guts to say no, just picture this: "Link, go to the temple and kill the monster that is ten times bigger and stronger than you in exchange of… this beautiful colored stone!" and Link says, "Sure."
    Zelda's not wise. She's a stupid damsel in distress that keep getting kidnapped by the same bad guy over and over again.
    And Ganondorf's not powerful. I mean, how powerful can he be if he's beaten and beaten again by a sissy boy in tights and a mentally impaired princess?
    Don't get me wrong, I love the Zelda series, but seriously, sometimes the stories are just plain stupid.

    • Although I agree about Zelda being a stupid damsel in distress, I don't think Link's a coward. Really, someone who's no courage wouldn't go through what he did just because he/she can't say no. About Ganondorf, just read the other people's comments here.

    • femalegamelover

      I love the legend of Zelda game's and your making it look like a stupid game. If what you say is true i don't think that these games would be this popular come on not very many ppl HAVEN'T heard or played these games.

  • Lunar6

    In looking back at all his displays of power throughout the games, I'd think that it need not be said that through these actions, Ganon has since been pretty much established as not only the poster villain, but also the most powerful character in the series. A small handful of the villains who may come off as even more menacing or powerful than Ganon eventually end up having been used by Ganon, if not revealed to be Ganon himself. Even in weakened states, his influence is often felt at large. Situations like this just show that even if he weren't the most powerful villain in the series (which he pretty much is though), he's still the most cunning and manipulative, but in scenes like OOT and WW he is shown to be just as prone to going into a frenzy. The problem of it is the same as the likes of Sephiroth or Albert Wesker: While they're obviously more powerful than their enemies (and any other character in the series really), they're evil, so they have to be stopped. It's a vey traditional sense of irony in that regard.

  • Lunar6

    In looking back at all his displays of power throughout the games, I'd think that it need not be said that through these actions, Ganon has since been pretty much established as not only the poster villain, but also the most powerful character in the series. A small handful of the villains who may come off as even more menacing or powerful than Ganon eventually end up having been used by Ganon, if not revealed to be Ganon himself. Even in weakened states, his influence is often felt at large. Situations like this just show that even if he weren't the most powerful villain in the series (which he pretty much is though), he's still the most cunning and manipulative, but in scenes like OOT and WW he is shown to be just as prone to going into a frenzy. The problem of it is the same as the likes of Sephiroth or Albert Wesker: While they're obviously more powerful than their enemies (and any other character in the series really), they're evil, so they have to be stopped. It's a vey traditional sense of irony in that regard.

  • ChainofTermina

    every plan, every villain, every thing in existence, has to have SOME sort of weakness. there's no such thing as perfect.

    So what if Ganon needs the Triforce of power? Link always needs the master sword. Malludus would have probably seemed a lot weaker if Link used the Master sword against him, but the MS is only used when it is NEEDED. in order to defeat Ganon, Link MUST have the Master Sword. for no other villain is it required.

  • DSP

    Evil is the path you choose, but evildoers always lose.

  • Pete

    What they really need to do is show Ganondorf WITHOUT the Triforce of Power. So make his quest about trying to find the Triforce of Power and not being concerned with what Link or Zelda are doing.

    This way he's free to do some cool stuff. Say he gets wind that a piece of the Triforce is below Kakariko Village.

    Will he,

    A. Ask the friendly townsfolk then do a fetch quest to find a shovel then dig it up?
    or
    B. Blow the village up in a massive fireball?

    Imagine the shock Link would have when he's walking up Death Mountain and below Kakariko is suddenly consumed by fire.

    Ganondorf needs to win to be credible, he needs some success, so let him wreak havoc on Hyrule (or a new land) and let him get the Triforce near the end and truly reign terror.

    Either that or we'll deflect his attacks with the butterfly net.

    • Now that's a very nice example, haha!
      And yes, that butterfly net thing was…stupid, to say the least.

  • veeronic

    ganon is one of the best villains yes, bowser isn’t even on the list and everyone above ganon IS WAY UP THERE, to the point where comparing him to them would be meaningless, even the villain I’m developing easily surpasses ganon..

  • link or zelda

    well, Malladus is better because all he has to do is control a body and POOF your dead! Good thing Link and Zelda was around…

    • That's exactly what I was going for.

  • Cukeman

    He is powerful enough that the sages cannot deal with him, it takes the talents of the hero chosen by the gods. 'nuff said

  • Cukeman

    He is powerful enough that the sages cannot deal with him, it takes the talents of the hero chosen by the gods. 'nuff said

  • link or zelda

    and that is link

  • Skinnybarnes

    Maybe that’s why he was given the ToP in Twilight Princess, because the goddesses knew that Ganondorf would stop searching for the other pieces, and he would one day be killed by a hero…. or maybe not…

  • Skinnybarnes

    Maybe that’s why he was given the ToP in Twilight Princess, because the goddesses knew that Ganondorf would stop searching for the other pieces, and he would one day be killed by a hero…. or maybe not…

  • Well, what did you expect, Ganon winning and taking over Hyrule forever? Than most (if not all) villain are not powerfull.
    But yeah, he should come up with better plans to take over Hyrule

  • eddythebug

    Ganon is the only character that seems to be able to find a way to come back to life–that's pretty powerful. Plus there is some indication of what happens when Ganon makes an appearance and Link doesn't show: the gods end up flooding the whole place.

  • eddythebug

    Ganon is the only character that seems to be able to find a way to come back to life–that's pretty powerful. Plus there is some indication of what happens when Ganon makes an appearance and Link doesn't show: the gods end up flooding the whole place.

  • Violet

    I know not everyone will agree with me on this, but I still feel Vaati at full power was potentially stronger than Ganon. I'm talking about Vaati at the end of The Minish Cap. Obviously after his failure in The Minish Cap he became weak and Ganon used him, but had he succeeded he claimed he would have been as powerful as a god, and we saw some of that in the final battles.

    Vaati was also easily one of the hardest final bosses in a Zelda game.

    Not enough love for Vaati, ah well. I always liked him.

  • Kiante

    Yes, he keeps getting beaten (because good guys always win) but doesn't the fact that he's always come back say something? I mean, I don't know of any villain that's resurfaced as many times as Ganon. It took many many years before one Link could finally kill him (TP). All the others could only seal him up for a time.

    His strategies really aren't always the same either. In OOC he tries to decieve the king, he uses diplomacy for awhile. In WW he decides to capture the princess first (of course he fails…but hey, what can you do?) so that she can't help any heroes along. In TP he manipulates a guy from another realm of existence into overthrowing his rulers, taking over TWO worlds, and causing a lot of trouble. In Link to the Past he seals up all the sages, in the other realm no less.

    So see, if you really look at it, his strategies aren't always the same. They just always get foiled in the same way. Link's the one that uses the same strategies (go to dungeon, find treasure, beat boss, repeat). But hey, if it works, why change it?

    In terms of actual power, look at the battles. From a gamer's perspective, they may not be all that hard, true. But all we're doing is moving our fingers around. From Link's perspective, these battles are epic! My favorite part of TP was the last boss fights. Imagine if you actually had to do that! That would be a pretty tough fight! Ganon is certainly powerful.

  • Azerik

    This is how I see it: He's powerful as an individual, but the problem is he has a whole crap ton of people out to get him…he's evil after all. Link is kind of a wuss in some aspects, and the only reason he wins, is cuz he's too dumb to give up, and because he gets help from people who are almost as powerful as Ganon is. Some people made the point that Ganon has a mallet space army (army that seems to come out of nowhere), and a crap ton of evil-like spells with which to bombard Link, but Link once again is too thick headed to give up, so he gets more help from magic people, which eventually puts him on par with Ganon, except unlike Ganon, he kinda plays it safe, not going all out until the last minute where he's like "I killed you."

    Anyway this is all an excuse, the only reason Ganon loses is because it would be pointless if he won.

  • Azerik

    This is how I see it: He's powerful as an individual, but the problem is he has a whole crap ton of people out to get him…he's evil after all. Link is kind of a wuss in some aspects, and the only reason he wins, is cuz he's too dumb to give up, and because he gets help from people who are almost as powerful as Ganon is. Some people made the point that Ganon has a mallet space army (army that seems to come out of nowhere), and a crap ton of evil-like spells with which to bombard Link, but Link once again is too thick headed to give up, so he gets more help from magic people, which eventually puts him on par with Ganon, except unlike Ganon, he kinda plays it safe, not going all out until the last minute where he's like "I killed you."

    Anyway this is all an excuse, the only reason Ganon loses is because it would be pointless if he won.

  • Rialdospaldacht

    He's more powerful than Malladus, at least. *SPOILERS*

    When Malladus gets shot by a Light Arrow, he's immediately rejected from Zelda's body. Ganondorf needed to be electrocuted three times and then forced out by the Fused Shadow. Malladus then had to take over Cole to remain stable. Ganondorf reformed into Ganon, lost, had his body burned, then blew up a castle, one a fight, and made a new body. All in TP.

    Also, in ALttP, He managed to free himself from imprisonment. Malladus needed Cole and Byrne and could not contribute himself.

    • Rialdospaldacht

      *won a fight

  • sephiroth_ultima

    I was born a fan of Ganon, and here's what I have to say.
    I think he's both extremely powerful and a master manipulator and schemer, but…
    1- He never seems to plan the coming of the hero.
    2- He is just WAY too cocky and instead of relentlessly rushing at Link with his attacks, he effs around way too much and looks like he's trying to impress him more than kill him (Kind of like Sephiroth in Advent Children actually XD).
    3- He's clearly very bad at multitasking, because aside from aLttP, he never combines his strenghts: either he ONLY fights with swords (ww, tp), or he ONLY transforms in a beast and goes berserk (oot, tp) or he ONLY uses magic in a very repetitive and predictable way (loz, oot), so WTH! XD

  • lebanese_boy

    If Wind Waker's backstory is of any indication, Ganon can be a serious threat. He basically rampaged over a whole kingdom and all of it's population had to flee.

    Certainly not the guy I'd like to have in my neighborhood.

  • lebanese_boy

    If Wind Waker's backstory is of any indication, Ganon can be a serious threat. He basically rampaged over a whole kingdom and all of it's population had to flee.

    Certainly not the guy I'd like to have in my neighborhood.

  • DSP

    ▲Link has the ''caurage'' to stand up to anyone, even ganon.
    ▲Zelda has the ''wisdom'' to aid Link in his quest.
    ▲Ganon has the power to even survive his dead body and the dark realm.

    ▒▓ Let's say the split time line is true ▓▒

    ● The wind waker

    Ganondorf has ''somehow'' escaped the dark realm.
    They end up together in the end and the trifoce are now in line with each other.
    The king of hyrule wishes a future for Link and Zelda, Ganon is now mortal again and is killed permanent.

    ● Twilight Princess

    Ganondorf is revived.
    They end up together in the end and ''somehow'' the triforce was separated from ganondorf, the ending scene confirms this. That's another permanent death for ganondorf.

    ▲ Conclusion ▲

    No, ganondorf himself is not really that powerful.
    Yes, the triforce of power ▲ is really that powerful.

    This may also be a hint to The legend of Zelda Wii.

  • link54

    He is that powerful becuase he didn't fully die in ocarina of time remember.He said that he'll come back and he did.But he died in hyrule field where the light spirit that controlled hyrule is.So if he dies in light and he's dark he is supposed to die forever.Or is that what they want you to think.Gannondorf might have a god like zant does ( zant's god is gannondorf ).If want more info email me at [email protected]

    sincerly zelda fan,

    link54

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    Where else can I read about it?

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