Just wanted to say: I love your contributions to the LA discussions. You're always measured and reasonable and able to empathize with where others are coming from.
Props for WoD. It's good.
Thanks very much!
Late answer, but to quote you:
"I was just rewatching some SS clips, and having done so... the Imprisoned's toes. I like the overall design of the Imprisoned more than a lot of people seem to, and even the toes don't annoy me as much as they do other people... but at the same time, why give him squishy, stubby toes reminiscent of Eely-Mouth's teeth in Super Mario Sunshine? Why not just give him full on hard claws? Given how we see the Goddess/Master Sword chisel its way through some pretty durable materials (not the least of which being Ghirahim's armor and weapons later), I think most people could buy it being strong enough to shatter animal-esque claws, and they would have looked a lot more intimidating while being more consistent with the form Demise takes later upon his resurrection.
And, though less of an issue, I think I would've preferred him getting actual wings or similar structures in his third form to levitate. I think it might have been an inversion of typical halo imagery seen in a lot of Buddhist iconography, which is itself pretty cool, but functionally, I don't see how an open ring above his back suddenly gives him flight powers, even with magic. "
- The halo was often discribed as a sort of wheel, with which angel and the like were seen in tandem.
Those wheels are also called merkaba, which take on form of rotating star-tetrahedrons.
Merkaba were used to not only transport anywhere and transcend/descend dimensions, but also create realities of different frequencies.
As for the wings, it is a conscept that was later brought in by the catholic church IIRC.
Do you happen to have a thread or series of posts that goes greatly into depth about your rogue Sheikah/Twili theory? I'm world-building a DnD campaign for Zelda, and the Interloper identity is really a fascinating subject. Right now I'm planning on settling with them as the Zuna, but I always had a soft spot for the Sheikah theory. Yet I usually find it disproven or seldom followed. I really admire your theorizing abilities, so I'd love to know your take on it!
Not a specific thread- it's just something that pops up from time to time. The gist of the thought process is that in TP, Lanayru depicts the Interlopers as being Dark Links, and so assuming this actually served a purpose and wasn't just for dramatic irony, it'd suggest that this race had pointed ears. That means they'd have to be either Skyloftians, Hylians, or Sheikah. From there, again, they're depicted as Dark Links, and thus have red eyes, providing another (admittedly tenuous, but still present) connection to the Sheikah. And then, of course, the Interlopers and Twili have magical abilities, again seemingly whittling down the candidate pool to either Sheikah or Hylians.
Slightly more substantively, both the Fused Shadow and the back of the Twili throne have rather Sheikah symbol-looking eyes on them, albeit without teardrops.
Also, it might be noteworthy that Hilda, a royal Lorulean, also has red eyes and magical power, and even creates a barrier at one point that greatly resembles one Impa made against Ghirahim in SS. For this reason, I actually think the Sheikah are descended from members of the Lorulean Royal Family (who would thus be Lorulean equivalents of Hylians) who crossed over in the Era of the Goddess, both to help contain Demise (who stole his sword from their goddess/matriarch) and to ensure that Hylia wouldn't destroy her Triforce and thus doom her universe as their ancestor had theirs.
And thank you, I very much appreciate that!
Seen the latest SU eps yet?
Yes. And my reaction to "A Single Pale Rose" might explain why I have changed my avatar.
Ah, see I only recently got into it so I wouldn’t know how long term fans would respond. I’m guessing not great!
From what I've seen, it's basically split the fanbase right down the middle, so. XD I'm in the "the twist was executed horribly and kind of ripples outward to damage the whole show" camp.
Ah, I take it’s probably the biggest division yet considering how long it drove the plot.
I might’ve got out lucky by only starting to get invested!
I'd say so, yeah. XD
Whenever I see your avatar, I think of the Diamond Badge (see bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Diamond_Badge.png) from Pokémon Live!. (Note that I have not seen Steven Universe.)
What is this new avatar.
I hate change ;-;
There's been a new crop of Steven Universe episodes recently, and the hype is real around them, so I changed accordingly.
STEVEN UNIVERSE ? xD
Yup! Probably my current favorite show.
im also a big fan altho it has been long since new episodes have aired :/
It's coming back tomorrow on the CN app, actually, and it'll probably find its way to other sources soon after.
good! thx for letting me know
You should explore more of the forum :<
I'm not exactly a social butterfly, so I don't tend to venture into new territory all that often. *shrugs*
Jk I know the feeling lmao.
At least the Zelda section though ;-;
I DO reply in any threads that intrigue me, usually if I come across them on the main page, and I DID have a couple extended stopovers in the Writing board. Theorizing and lore building are my main interest, though, so that's where I typically am.
Ah, riiight, you were in Writing o.o I ought to check your stuff sometime. :3
I'd definitely appreciate it. I've been trying to get feedback on it, but no one's offered any for a while.
I kinda prefer being clanless, to be honest. And I'm not exactly a social butterfly, so I wouldn't be getting involved in any events or community activities, and that kind of eliminates any impetus to join a clan.
We don't really have too many community activities to be fair -- we just talk to each other hah. We have a general thread, a gaming thread, a tv thread, a srs thread, etc etc. it's just like a family setting. The only real community activity we have is that sometimes we play games over Skype
But that's fair you don't need to join ~
I could have sworn you were on the other side of the fem Link argument last time I checked. Your recent post pretty much sums up my take on it though. I'm not exactly pushing for it, but it makes sense canonically and I wouldn't mind either way.
I'm not sure how you got that impression- I've said the whole time that a girl Link is an idea worth exploring. I AM against the idea of having the player CHOOSE Link's sex- whether they're male or female should be an intrinsic part of the narrative and written around accordingly, not something each player decides- but whether Link is male or female isn't really an issue.
Ah okay, fair enough. I felt that way for a while but I've since decided that I wouldn't mind a choice as long as the official character was made extremely obvious through advertising and such. Although I still feel kind of iffy about it, as having the option kind of negates Link's validity as a character.
You got me curious when you brought up that SS Link and Zelda are the 'Adam and Eve' of the Hylians. Would you have the quote from HH that supports it?
HH, pg. 77: "The Hylians, descendants of Hylia, lived in Hyrule and possessed magical abilities. […] The descendants of the goddess Hylia, who was reincarnated as Princess Zelda, established the kingdom of Hyrule and became Hyrule's Royal Family." Now, to be fair, this is from the NA version, and apparently the Japanese version says something along the lines of "[The Hylians] share roots with Hylia," but even so the implication seems to be there.
I remember you from Zelda Dungeon's forum back in 2014. Guess you left though?
Yeah. No particular reason why, I just stopped going on.
Ah, well I think you're a good theorist. Glad to see you are posting here.
So I saw your post in the "The Power of Demise: Divine of Not?" thread, and I don't want to derail the thread with a discussion about Ghirahim, so I'm bringing it up here instead. I've seen you state that belief before, but I don't remember if you really explained just why you think it's possible for Ghirahim to have become the Kokiri Sword, since he really doesn't have any thematic or aesthetic similarities to the Kokiri.
Well, as many have pointed out, his cloak looks pretty much identical to the Gilded Sword, and so does his true form in terms of the pattern. In addition, he and Demise's sword have red gemstones, as does the Kokiri Sword. Beyond that, this would fill in both the gap of what exactly happened to Demise's Sword and Ghirahim, as well as the Kokiri Sword's origins. It's also just a deliciously ironic possibility that Ghirahim would inadvertently end up being used by an incarnation of Link against an incarnation of Demise.
Ah, I see. Thanks. I will point out, however, that the Gilded Sword doesn't actually mean anything, since its appearance would be the blacksmith's work and not anything fundamental to the sword that might have carried over from Ghirahim.
Maybe, but equally, the reforging process could have revealed the hidden properties of the sword. It seems somewhat unlikely to me that the blacksmiths took pains to ensure the diamond pattern emerged- that would require quite a bit more intricate work than would be possible in a night.
No one realised but if link is sent back at the end of ocarina the link in the past still exists inside the temple of time
There would be a parallel Link in the CT, yes, but he's not in the Temple of Time. He's likely either still in Kokiri Forest or else making his way to Hyrule Castle when his AT counterpart meets Zelda.
In reference to your post in the thread, "Is MM really a dream?": I know, twas only a joke. I just find it funny, because back in the day all we had were online cannon sources to look at and read xP. But now, all we have to do is look in the HH. Which I can only be thankful for considering Nintendo was relatively mute on the whole Timeline thing for a long time.
Thanks man :).
Happy Birthday Setras!! Sorry if I'm late, but it's 11:22pm out here :).
Yeah, I came to realise this, except for the converting of the Fortress and the Spirit temple. I rather think that these locations are never visited in TP, much like the Kokiri Forrest.
Also regarding the last topic, you expressed exactly my thoughts about Veran.
However between their first meeting and Link's departure, there were peaceful days as said in the flashback in Majora's Mask. So nothing was done, which would call Ganondorf into action.
Aunoma stated once that they opted to let Ganondorf be., which proved to be effective.
Ganondorf would continue his current plans to gain influence on the Royal Family, while Link later was gone with the OoT. After a long time passed, Ganondorf grew impatient and would do something outrageous, which would give Zelda the opportunity to take action against him.
This ourageous action would lead to the battle, which destroyed the Temple of Time and the Castle Town.
You know that OoT Zelda was already fishy about Ganondorf, even before the CT kicked in.
Not to forget the King didn't believe his own daughter's story. Afterall a child will not be taken as serious. Also... We do not know, if Link even knows, that he has still the Triforce of Courage in the CT, but we can assume that he does, because he was revealed late as the bearer of the ToC.
Most people assume quickly that Link showed the ToC to the King, to validate the claims of Ganondorf's evil deeds and future plans. Surely the King will believe the Bearer of Courage, since his family is dedicated into protecting the Triforce for generations.
But there is one crucial detail many forget to take into consideration: Ganondorf himself, who is still unaware (and even Link and Zelda) that he bears the ToP (Otherwise the Sages of TP would have acted more carefully and would have gone for a different methode of execution, dekapitation for example. ).
Branding him a criminal, will only lead Ganondorf, to protect his earned reputation on his name.
He will certainly come face to face with the accusers Link and Zelda on trial or earlier, which will cause the Triforce pieces to resonate in close proximity.
And there the plan starts to backfire on Link and Zelda. With the resonating, Ganondorf will become aware of the ToP within him and might use its powers directly to seize the other two fragments instantly.
Since Link and Zelda are still children, they will be quickly overwhelmed.
Such a scenario will be even more worse than the DT or the AT, because there are no preparations for to seal him away, but a army to overwhelm a "normal" Ganondorf, if things go messy and later to execute him.
Taking all things under consideration, TP Ganondorf would be reminded of OoT Link by TP Link's green clothes and express his disgust towards him, because he foiled his plans back then.
And not to forget his attack on the Castle Town, which are but overgrown ruins in TP.
As you can see, I am playing Devil's Advocate here.
Ahh, thanks for the explanation! Love the connotation that you're going to make even stronger posts now hehe.
Hey, I just wanted to say that I enjoy your posts and theories. Even though you are relatively new to ZU, it doesn't really seem like it. I don't always agree with your theories, but I must say that your posts are always well thought out, and you always back up your theories with solid logic. You are also very polite and respectful when engaging in debates. Keep up the good work!
I don't recognise it, but your new avatar scares me... the change from mauve to red... have you gone evil haha?
That isn't ample evidence whatsoever, more-so it suggests that the belief in that legend is very strong. Secondly why would they have to mention the chosen hero of the past, when they have the chosen hero right in front of them? Link in SS IS the chosen hero, but there's also a chosen hero mentioned in-game as being someone in the past as well, meaning there's two chosen heroes in Skyward Sword. You can deny it all you want, but the text clearly states that there was a chosen hero in the past, which already proves your entire point wrong all together. Because of this I'm not having this discussion anymore, cause if the game says it, it's confirmed truth, [I]period[/I]. It's ridiculous to say otherwise or else you're picking and choosing things to believe in, which I find ridiculous. It doesn't matter if it's one line, or a thousand, what it says is what it says.
And did you even play the game? The whole game was practically about how the Surface world changed from the last time the Skyloft people have seen them. There was every sign to suggest that the Skyloft people never communicated with them since Hylia sent them flying, as the surface world was pretty much regarded as a very dangerous place. That's why no one in Skyloft went down to the surface in the first place, because it was considered to be a forbidden place.
Now explain to me, how Impa, without a Loftwing to use, went up to the people of the Sky and told them about how Link was given the sailcloth by Hylia? Considering this NEVER HAPPENED IN THE PAST in Skyward Sword, I'd be hard pressed to believe Impa would make up some bullshit story that has no grounds to reality whatsoever. Considering the whole premise of this lacks evidence, unlike the evidence to suggest there was a "chosen hero" before SS Link, I find it ridiculous to even talk about.
Well of course the time split in Ocarina of Time, but that was different circumstances. In Ocarina of Time itself, however, a time split never occurs in the actual gameplay of the game. In fact, when you do things like plant those seeds in the ground in the past, they grow into bean stalks in the future. Why? Because you're altering time. This is also suggested when you go back in time and meet Nabooru, who she remembers you from the past. Basically the entire game Link changes time itself, and it isn't till the very end when the timeline actually splits into two. Why? Who knows, but many theorize it's due to Zelda's magic, rather than being sent back in time.
Oracles of Ages time travel is the same way, as is the time travel in Majora's Mask. While you could argue that Nintendo could really do "anything" the way I see it, unless it's confirmed otherwise, any time travel in the series is over-written something from the past, because nothing in the series has suggested otherwise with the exception of Ocarina of Time's ending.
Maybe he never fought Demise? I dunno, but the game specifies that there was a chosen hero in the past in not one, but two lines. Yes it's a legend, but so is the war you're talking about, which we also never see actually happened in the game. That's your evidence. Just because Hylia and Demise don't mention him doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
And no, there wasn't. The Skyloft people didn't know what happened to Demise until they went to the ground where there was a seal. There was no knowledge of a world below Skyloft whatsoever in the citizens of Skyloft other then the legend of their origin.
Again you're over-complicating things and creating a theory that has no real grounds whatsoever in anything. Skyward Sword was not an Ocarina of Time situation where there was two clear endings with two different paths. Skyward Sword had Link going back in time, to Impa's time (probably close to a century due to Impa's old age in the present), in which history was altered to where Ghirahim revives Demise from his seal in the past. Then Demise gets defeated, Link places the Master Sword in the pedestal, and then he goes back. The Master Sword is in the same place, meaning that history has been rewritten. This is how this instance of time travel works.
If he came back and the Master Sword wasn't there, then it would've been a split timeline. But because it is there this means time has been altered.