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    Refuting commonly-held Misconceptions about Japan's Yamato Dynasty/Crysanthemum Throne!!
    • I know I've made a few threads/(posts), somewhat along the lines of what I'm about to share, BUT, HERE I GO AGAIN:


      The Meiji Tenno/Mikado/"Emperor" was never actually "restored" during the so-called Meiji "Restoration Of Imperial Rule", & if you want proof, well:

      Wikipedia on the Meiji Tenno/Mikado/"Emperor" wrote:

      I]Although a parliament was formed, it had no real power, and neither did the emperor.[citation needed] Power had passed from the Tokugawa into the hands of those daimyōs and other samurai who had led the Restoration.[citation needed] Japan was thus controlled by the Genrō, an oligarchy which comprised the most powerful men of the military, political and economic spheres. The emperor, if nothing else, showed greater political longevity than his recent predecessors, as he was the first Japanese monarch to remain on the throne past the age of 50 since the abdication of Emperor Ōgimachi in 1586.

      The Japanese take pride in the Meiji Restoration, as it and the accompanying industrialization allowed Japan to become the preeminent power in the Pacific and a major player in the world within a generation. Yet, Emperor Meiji's role in the Restoration, as well as the amount of personal authority and influence he wielded during his reign, remains debatable. He kept no diary, wrote almost no letter (unlike his father) and left "no more than three or four" photographs. The accounts of people who had met or were close to him usually contain little substantial information or are mutually contradictory.[48]
      Some call him an autocrat.[49] Some believe that his role was merely symbolic, without real power[50] - even this symbolic role was shaped by others - and that he rarely interfered with what had been agreed upon in advance by the ruling politicians and officers.[51] Others contend that he was never a full dictator, but whether his personal power was "far closer to the absolutist end"[52] or that he was the key mediator in a collective leadership (and thus, Meiji, "whilst never a great leader in the Western sense, was indisputably of great importance in the workings of Japanese consensus politics")[53], or that he was in any case no mere cipher, but his actual influence varied depending on different stages of his reign and the lack of sources makes it nigh-impossible to actually penetrate the mysteries surrounding his role and personality.[54], is a matter of debate. R.Starr describes him as a highly individualistic and forthright person who was no puppet to any group in his government, and although progressive, not 'liberal' or 'democratic'.[55]
      It is unlikely it will ever be clear whether he supported the Sino-Japanese War (1894–1895) or the Russo-Japanese War (1904–1905).[according to whom?] One of the few windows we have into the Emperor's own feelings is his poetry, which seems to indicate a pacifist streak, or at least a man who wished war could be avoided.[according to whom?] He composed the following pacifist poem in waka form:

      よもの海みなはらからと思ふ世になど波風のたちさわぐらむ[56]Yomo no umimina harakara toomofu yo ninado namikaze notachi sawaguramu[56]The seas of the four directions—all are born of one womb:why, then, do the wind and waves rise in discord?[56]This poem was later recited by his grandson, Emperor Shōwa (Hirohito), in an Imperial Conference in September 1941, indirectly showing his own anti-war sentiment.[according to whom?[/I]


      An article on wrote:

      Return to the title of EmperorThe Emperor of Japan
      By Jeff TaliaferroThe Emperor of Japan is the world's only reigning emperor. At first glance, this usage seems odd in three respects.
      First, and most obviously, Japan does not have an empire. Indeed, for most its history, the boundaries of Japan have not extended beyond the home islands: Kyushu, Honshu, Hokkaido and Okinawa. Japan did acquire an empire, beginning with the annexation of the Ryu Kyu Islands in 1875 and culminating in conquest of Southeast Asia in 1940-1942. At the end of World War II, however, Japan lost its colonies. Second, while Japan has an "emperor" it is not formally an "empire." Between 1889 and 1946, the long form of the country's name was the "Empire of Japan." During the American occupation, the Diet (parliament) voted to drop the long form. The country is simply Japan (Nihon or Nippon) –the land of the rising sun.
      Third, the word "emperor" is not an accurate description of the historical and constitutional role of the Japanese monarch. Unlike the Chinese and Mongol emperors, the Russian tsars, and the Byzantine emperors, the Japanese emperors have rarely exercised political power or commanded armies in the field. Instead, they have mainly performed sacerdotal functions and served as the source of legitimacy for the country's real rulers. As the direct descendant of the sun goddess, Amaterasu Omikani, and thus a manifestation of divinity on earth ([i]kami), the emperor functioned as the chief priest of the indigenous religion, Shintô. After the introduction of Buddhism to Japan and the "merger" of Buddhist and Shintô practice in the eighth century A.D., the emperor continued to function as a shaman king. In the seventh century, political power passed to Fujiwara, on the four aristocratic families in the capital city Kyoto (794-1185). Later political power passed from the ancient court aristocracy (kuge) to the emerging military aristocracy (daimyo) in the countryside. A succession of warrior dynasties –the Taira, the Minamoto, the Ashikaga, and finally the Tokugawa –actually governed the country almost continually from 1185 to 1867. The heads of these families held the title of Shôgun ("great barbarian subduing generalissimo").
      Even after the abolition of the Tokugawa shogunate and so-called restoration of imperial rule in 1867, the Japanese emperor had little independent authority. The 1889 Meiji Constitution vested nominally vested supreme executive, legislative, and military command authority in the throne. In reality, the emperor presided over a complex web of state institutions –the cabinet, the Privy Council, the army and navy general staffs, and the Imperial Household Ministry –and extra-constitutional bodies –the genrô (the council of elder statesmen) –with little ability to either make policy or veto policies undertaken in his name. The present Japanese Constitution (in effect from May 17, 1947) defines the emperor as "the symbol of the State and the unity of the people, deriving his position from the will of the people in who resides sovereign power."
      The Japanese word for their hereditary monarch is [b]Tennô (literally "heavenly sovereign"). The word, borrowed from Chinese, dates from the seventh century A.D. The other common term is Tenshi(literally "son of Heaven"). Both words are gender neutral. Japan has had six female monarchs, the last of whom, Go-Sakuramachi, reigned from 1763 to 1771. The term Mikado ("honorable gate" or the Sublime Porte), popularized in the west by the Gilbert and Sullivan operetta of that name, is archaic. Other titles for the emperor are Dairi (Court), Gôshô (Palace); Heika (Steps to the Throne); Aramikami(Incarnate Divinity); and Akitsukame(Manifest Destiny).
      The use of the terms "emperor," "imperial" and "imperial family" in reference to the Japanese monarch and his family are artifacts of the general title inflation of the mid-to-late nineteenth century. Until the early nineteenth century, most Westerners were largely unaware that Tokugawa Japan was a diarchy. The Shôgun exercised de-facto control over the country from his capital at Edo (present day Tokyo), while the Tennô performed sacerdotal functions in Kyoto. Indeed, in 1853 Commodore Matthew Perry presented the bakufu officials with a letter from the president of the United States to the "king of Japan" (i.e., the Shôgun). When the true state of affairs became more widely known, Westerners began to refer to the shôgun as the "tycoon" –a corruption of the Japanese word taikun (great lord).

      After the Meiji Restoration (1868), the Satsuma-Choshu oligarchs adopted the English word "emperor" (Kaiser in German and l'Empereur in French) as the official translation for Tennô. They did so largely to put the "restored" Japanese monarch on an equally footing with sovereigns of the great powers –the Tsar of Russia, the Emperor of the French (1857-1871), the Emperor of Austria, the German Emperor (from 1871), and the Queen-Empress of India (from 1877) – and the emperors of China, Mexico and Brazil. Moreover, the Satsuma-Chosou oligarchs sought to use "restored" emperor to both unify the country and bolster Japan's standing relative to the Western powers.[/I][/B]

      The Imperial Family
      The translation of Tennô as "emperor" led to the adoption of imperial rank and styles for other members of the dynasty. The Koshitsu –the collective term for the monarch's immediate relatives –translated as the imperial family or imperial household (imperiale Familie in German or impériale famille in French). Historically, there were several types of imperial consort –Kogô, Chugu, Nyôgo and others. These represent different ancient court ranks and the assignment of these titles tended to be rather arbitrary. The principal consort of the Emperor Meiji, the former Itsuko Haruko (1857-1914), received the highest rank, Kogô, on the day of her marriage. In their effort emulate Western monarchies the Meiji oligarchs translated her title as "empress." Emperor Meiji granted the principal consort of his father Emperor Komei, the former Kujo Atsuko (1834-1897), the rank of Kotaigô. Previously, she had been Nyôgo or a third-ranking imperial consort. The highest ranks for former imperial consorts – Kotaigô(literally, the emperor's mother) and Tai Kotaigô (literally, the emperor's grandmother) –became the "empress dowager" and the "grand empress dowager" in translation, respectively. The 1889 Imperial Household Law eliminated the other consort ranks.
      The Kôtashi –the heir apparent to the throne –became the crown prince (Kronprinz in German or Le prince couronné in French). For centuries, the Imperial Court made a distinction between two categories of princes: the shinnô and the ô. (Princesses are correspondingly naishinnô and nyoô). The two differed in terms of closeness to the reigning emperor in descent. An emperor's sons, grandsons, and great grandsons in the male line wereshinnô, as were the heads of imperial family's major cadet branches (the Fushimi, the Arisugawa, the Katsura, and the Kan'in). These princes are immediate successors to the throne. More remote male line descendants are ô (and nyoô). The Japanese government and Western diplomats translated both ranks as "prince" or "imperial prince."
      The designation "imperial prince" became necessary to distinguish royal relations from holders of the highest non-royal rank of the new Japanese peerage, kôshaku. Both Westerners and Japanese translated this title, which corresponded to a British duke, as "prince." For example, Prince (or Duke) Saionji Kinomichi and Prince (or Duke) Konoe Fumimaro, both representatives of senior lines of the Fujiwara, held the highest non-royal ranks in the peerage; they were not members of the imperial family. Conversely, Fushimi no miya Sadanaru Shinnô was a member of the imperial family. His names and titles translated as Prince Fushimi Sadanaru or the Imperial Prince Fushimi Sadanaru.
      Translation of Foreign Minister Shigemitsu's credentials
      By the Grace of Heaven, Emperor of Japan, seated on the Throne occupied by the same Dynasty changeless through ages eternal,
      To all who these Presents shall come, Greeting!
      We do hereby authorize Shigemitsu Mamoru, Zyosanmi, First Class of the Imperial Order of the Rising Sun to attach his signature by command and in behalf of ourselves and Our Government unto the Instrument of Surrender, which is required by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to be signed.
      In witness whereof, we have hereunto set our signature and caused the Great Seal of the Empire to be affixed.
      Given at Our Palace in Tokyo, this first day of the ninth month of the twentieth year of Showa, being the two thousand six hundred and fifth year from the Accession of the Emperor Jimmu.
      Seal of the Empire
      Signed: HIROHITO
      Countersigned: Naruhiko ô
      Prime Minister

      Translation of General Umezu's credentials
      By the Grace of Heaven, Emperor of Japan, seated on the Throne occupied by the same Dynasty changeless through ages eternal,
      To all who these Presents shall come, Greeting!
      We do hereby authorize Umezu Yoshijiro, Zyosanmi, First Class of the Imperial Order of the Rising Sun to attach his signature by command and in behalf of ourselves and Our Government unto the Instrument of Surrender, which is required by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to be signed.
      In witness whereof, we have hereunto set our signature and caused the Great Seal of the Empire to be affixed.
      Given at Our Palace in Tokyo, this first day of the ninth month of the twentieth year of Showa, being the two thousand six hundred and fifth year from the Accession of the Emperor Jimmu.
      Seal of the Empire
      Signed: HIROHITO
      Umezu Yoshijiro, Chief of the General Staff of the Imperial Japanese Army
      Toyoda Soemu, Chief of the General Staff of the Imperial Japanese Navy

      Royalty Main Page | Search Heraldica | Heraldic Glossary | ContactFrançois Velde

      Last Modified: Jan 07, 2001

      That all pretty-much applies to the Showa Tenno/Mikado/"Emperor", (Hirohito), as well!!

      ...Which leads me to...


      The Showa Tenno/Mikado/"Emperor"/Hirohito did *NOT* say that he wasn't of divine ancestry, but rather, that he basically wasn't an *INCARTATION OF A DEITY, HIMSELF*!!

      Wikipedia wrote:

      According to the popular Western view, promoted by the Supreme Commander of the Allied Powers, this challenged the centuries-old claim that the Japanese emperor and his predecessors were descendants of the sun goddess Amaterasu, and thus the Emperor had now publicly admitted that he was not a living god. Thus, the same day as the rescript was issued, General Douglas MacArthurannounced that he was very much pleased with Hirohito's statement, which he saw as his commitment to lead his people in the democratisation of Japan.[1]
      Hirohito was persistent in the idea that the emperor of Japan should be considered a descendant of the gods. In December 1945, he told his vice-grand chamberlain Michio Kinoshita: "It is permissible to say that the idea that the Japanese are descendants of the gods is a false conception; but it is absolutely impermissible to call chimerical the idea that the emperor is a descendant of the gods."[2]
      Critics of the Western interpretation, including the Emperor himself,[3] argue that the repudiation of divinity was not the point of the rescript. Since this rescript starts with a full quote from the Five Charter Oath of 1868 by the Meiji Emperor, the Emperor's true intention was that Japan had already been democratic since the Meiji Era and was not democratised by the occupiers. As was clarified at a press interview of 23 August 1977, the Emperor wanted the Japanese people not to forget pride in Japan. This interpretation is confirmed by the fact that the imperial rescript was published with a commentary by Prime Minister Kijūrō Shidehara that dwelt exclusively on the prior existence of democracy in the Meiji Era and did not make even passing reference to the emperor's "renunciation of divinity".[3]
      This rescript is said to have been drafted by Reginald Horace Blyth and Harold Gould Henderson,[4] who also contributed to the popularisation of Zen and the poetic form of haiku outside Japan.

      Note that he *DIDN'T* say that they *WEREN'T* descended from Kami, merely that it was permissible to say that they weren't, which seems retrospectively *FAR-LESS ARROGANT,* than the Nicene Creed saying that Yeheshua/Yesu/Jesus was/is the "ONLY-BEGOTTEN" son of the Divine, as were we not all made in the Divine's Image?!

      ...(& while we're @it, I have always subscribed to/will always subscribe to, (probably in previous lifetimes, as well, definitely in future incarnations as well, as well as other worlds/timelines/realms/realities/planes-of-existence/dimensions), the (closely-related), belief-systems of Panpsychism/Animism, probably in previous lifetimes too, definitely in future incarnations as well, despite, (*OCCASIONALLY*), saying/doing things I don't mean, (mainly when I have had Psychological problems))!!


      Himiko, the sun maiden=Amaterasu?!


      Tuf Pic wrote:

      While many people recognize that Tibet is rightfully it's own country, that should *NOT* be forced to go along with being a part of the *COMPLETELY ILLEGITIMATE* PRC, (& many people also recognize that the Mongol Yuan Dynasty ruled China, & many of them would *HARDLY* call Mongolia a "legitimate part" of Mainland Communist China, although the Chinese Communists themselves try to), not as many people know that the last Imperial Dynasty of China, (The Qing), was quite similar to the Yuan, that... ...(GUESS WHAT?!)...


      The overthrow of the Qing Dynasty as the rulers of China *DID NOT ENTITLE THE REBELS TO LAY CLAIM TO THE HOMELAND OF THE QING DYNASTY!!* :nonono: :glare: :jinny: :argh:

      It would have been as absurd as if either the Indian Independence Movement, &/or the American Rebels in the War for Independence had tried to claim the British Empire for themselves, because they had both been ruled by it!!




      WW2: Inevitable or not?


      Also, I personally would like to see an Emperor in China again, maybe something like as in what this article discusses:…ctions-on-code-geass.html!!

      DOUBLE-EDIT: Yet another related YouTube video:


      Anybody have something('s), to say to any of this?!


      (Relating to ⛩/(Shintoism), & Hyrule, (this being *ZELDA UNIVERSE FORUMS*, after all):…link-to-the-past_djvu.txt


      I personally have always been very sympathetic to ⛩/Shintoism), as a portion of my lifelong belief-system, probably in other worlds/universes/timelines/realms/realities/planes-of-existence/dimensions, too, as well as, (almost assuredly), previous lifetimes as well, absolutely in future incarnations, as well,definitely in future lifetimes/incarnations as well, as a couple of parts of my lifetime belief-system will always be/have always been (probably in previous lifetimes too, definitely in future incarnations as well), the (related), belief-systems of Panpsychism, ...&... Animism!!

      Thoughts on some of/most of/any/all of this?!

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    • Mod Note:

      Just a heads up that it took me a few reads to understand what you were trying to get at with this thread.

      If you're looking for a debate or discussion on this, could you please organize your claims in a way that's easier for us to understand. You have mentioned multiple misconceptions but some are nested in quotes further down in your post.

      I would suggest that you point form the claims you are making then use the quotes to quote your supporting text.
    • Here I go, ...AGAIN...

      1) The so-called Meiji "Restoration of Japanese Imperial Rule" didn't actually necessarily make the Tenno/Mikado/"Emperor", more powerful, (@LEAST not nearly to the extent that many people assume), as @LEAST *MOST* of the actual power had actually gone into the hands of the Oligarchic Genro, (& later to the Japanese Military)!!



      3) Just as Mainland Communist China has *ABSOLUTELY NO LEGITIMATE RIGHTS TO TIBET, (OR MONGOLIA, FOR THAT MATTER)*, it has no rights to Manchuria, *OR* East Turkestan, for that matter, & although Japan has annexed territory as well, it @The very-least let @LEAST *SOME* of the Royalty/Nobility/Aristocracy of the nation's it has annexed still retain *@LEAST* Noble/Aristocratic Titles/Ranks, & as I've stated, the so-called Meiji "Restoration" didn't actually "restore" the Japanese Sovereign on little-more than a pretty superficial basis!!

      Does that sound more understandable?!

      & I hope that Japan's Nobility/Aristocracy/Cadet Branches of the Royal/Imperial Family get restored as well, A.S.A.P., (particularly the doubly-downgraded Royalty/Nobility/Aristocracy of the Ryukyu Kingdom/(Present-Day Okinawa Prefecture))!!

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    • *ALSO*:

      The Tao Of Pooh wrote:

      “One of our favorite examples of the value of Nothing is an
      incident in the life of the Japanese emperor Hirohito. Now, being
      emperor in one of the most frantically Confucianist countries in the
      world is not necessarily all that relaxing. From early morning
      until late at night, practically every minute of the emperor's time is
      filled in with meetings, audiences, tours, inspections, and
      who-knows-what. And through a day so tightly scheduled that it would
      make a stone wall seem open by comparison, the emperor must glide, like a
      great ship sailing in a steady breeze.

      In the middle of a
      particularly busy day, the emperor was driven to a meeting hall for an
      appointment of some kind. But when he arrived, there was no one there.
      The emperor walked into the middle of the great hall, stood silently for
      a moment, then bowed to the empty space. He turned to his assistants, a
      large smile on his face. "We must schedule more appointments like
      this," he told them. "I haven't enjoyed myself so much in a long time.”

      Doesn't sound *@ALL LIKE A WAR CRIMINAL TO ME*!!


      ...&, just for good measure, the companion-book to above-mentioned Spirituality/Religion/Philosophy-Related Book...…Vaw0qPc6sJT2ACv-AKe39irVG!!

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