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    The War Room III: From British Invasion to British Implosion
    • Gabbard is fucking awful. She supports autocrats (Assad, Saudis, etc) and has ties to right-wing Hindu nationalist government in India. She actively campaigned against same-sex civil rights throughout the mid-2000s. Her family is part of a cult which, if we listen to those who have left it, has some rather disturbing practices. Yeah, she has done things which appear to be good like support Sanders in his run, criticise the NSA or Americas rampant interventionism but it's important to look at the motive behind these actions.

      I'd really recommend reading some pieces on her before cheering her along. The New Yorker did a profile on her in 2017 and Paste Magazine did one in 2016.


      “Gandalf put his hand on Pippin's head. "There never was much hope," he answered. "Just a fool's hope, as I have been told.”
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    • Bowsette wrote:

      The more entrants in the primary the better.
      I'd disagree. The Republican party had two clown cars worth of entrants. It's precisely for that reason that some candidates were taken more seriously than others, even within their own party - a lot of people forget that there was basically a "kiddie table" secondary debate for a handful of candidates and it was arbitrarily decided. Trump was treated more seriously because he had name recognition and was given an equal voice at the table. Why should he have been treated more so than Jindal, Pataki, Perry or Gilmore? All of them were former Governors with executive experience in politics and most had legislative or at least legal experience of some sort. Trump had nothing but bluster. Who is to say that a good showing in the first debate would not have moved more people away from an obvious front-runner? Maybe Pataki would have been more palpable to more voters as a Anyone-But-Trump vote than Jeb or Cruz. We won't know because the party and Fox News put their fingers on the scale.

      What if someone with real progressive bonafides attempts a run? Someone like Barbara Lee? I doubt most people know her outside of California or neighbouring states, similar to a certain socialist Jew once upon a time, but what if the extensive crowd of candidates leads to people we really should want to see in positions of power elbowed out before they even have a chance? This is not an unrealistic possibility.

      Though part of me wants there to be about a dozen centrist dumdums who eat in Biden's lead and one or two strong progressives who can consolidate the left-wing of the party before some milksop moderate manages to beat out the rest of garbage candidates, like JIM WEBB.


      “Gandalf put his hand on Pippin's head. "There never was much hope," he answered. "Just a fool's hope, as I have been told.”
      ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Return of the King

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    • I’m at least hopeful this means a lot more candidates and voters will remain energized and combat political corruption/nepotism.

      I’m still annoyed and sick of the tv whenever they mention in passing that “it’s Hillary’s turn” like she automatically deserves the spot and no one else matters.
    • Avalanchemike wrote:

      What if someone with real progressive bonafides attempts a run? Someone like Barbara Lee? I doubt most people know her outside of California or neighbouring states, similar to a certain socialist Jew once upon a time, but what if the extensive crowd of candidates leads to people we really should want to see in positions of power elbowed out before they even have a chance? This is not an unrealistic possibility.




      Though part of me wants there to be about a dozen centrist dumdums who eat in Biden's lead and one or two strong progressives who can consolidate the left-wing of the party before some milksop moderate manages to beat out the rest of garbage candidates, like JIM WEBB.

      I had the same concern not too long ago, but the democratic establishment has no shortage of centrists in their ranks so theoretically that should benefit progressives if enough Jim Weebs and Lincoln Chafees run and have the effect of diluting their own chances as you allude to above. I could be wrong though.

      The Democrats need to generate excitement on their side and a wide primary field of diverse candidates and personalities is one way of doing this. The low-energy, curated primary hurt the Democrats in 2016 while the GOP clown car primary worked to the GOP's benefit in the end as it was a magnet for the media spotlight and a source of free advertizement for Trump (who engineered a lot of it on his own, to be fair). Where the GOP provides its fair share of batshit candidates the Democratic answer should be to respond with its share of passionate candidates, and not call to limit the number of entrants. A primary filled with enough passionate Democrats and actual unfiltered debate can drive the media spotlight away from Republicans and Trump, it's already happening right now with AOC and Rashida Tlaib - we just need Democrats to take that energy with them into the primaries.



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    • Dear God. If it's true that he suffers from PTSD after his military service, this ordeal must have been terrifying for him.

      I get why ICE exists, but I feel like the implementation is flawed. Track down people whose visas have expired etc., but present the option to renew their citizenship; don't jump straight to deportation. The threat of deportation only seems to A.) Make Dreamers or undocumented persons hesitant to apply for citizenship, and B.) Be an expensive process that often ends up in the person returning to the country undocumented, as it often happened with Obama's litany of deportations.

      Our immigration practices can be firm and fair at the same time. The inability to strike this balance is a catastrophe.

      Avalanchemike wrote:

      Gabbard is fucking awful. She supports autocrats (Assad, Saudis, etc) and has ties to right-wing Hindu nationalist government in India. She actively campaigned against same-sex civil rights throughout the mid-2000s. Her family is part of a cult which, if we listen to those who have left it, has some rather disturbing practices. Yeah, she has done things which appear to be good like support Sanders in his run, criticise the NSA or Americas rampant interventionism but it's important to look at the motive behind these actions.

      I'd really recommend reading some pieces on her before cheering her along. The New Yorker did a profile on her in 2017 and Paste Magazine did one in 2016.
      Are we sure about the Saudis there? She came down on Trump hard after his non-response to the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.

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    • Common Knowledge wrote:

      buzzfeednews.com/article/jason…wer-mueller-investigation


      Well, what do you know, looks like Trump himself directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Trump tower discussions. Totally clears the President, thank you!

      This is apparently now being disputed by the special counsel. though the SC only mentioned that "BuzzFeed's description of specific statements to the Special Counsel's Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen's Congressional testimony are not accurate". They did not say that the statement that Trump directed him to lie was false. Looks like BF is trying to get more information on what is inaccurate, but I have a feeling they won't be hearing from them any time soon, as they seem to run a tight ship.

      Shame though, as I've heard some GOP members are starting to jump ship after that report came out. This is just gonna renew his base...


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