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    • @Nonoctoro

      I imagine Wallmaster/Keymasters/etc. are mostly mindless creatures assigned, taking on the command of those who summon them. Some are merely meant to deter intruders, some protect legendary artifacts or keys, some are prone to kill, etc.

      We can see Zamt's Hands, also creatures or constructs from the Twilight Relam, exist solely to protect the Sol's. Keymasters from Spirit Tracks protect keys, etc.

      Some much less canon sources, like Hyrule Warriors, show that Wallmaster can be summoned by some characters to help them in battle. The Wallmaster is merely fulfilling the purpose of it's summoning, as most other times this behavior is atypical. The Zelda comic from the older days also demonstrate that Wallmasters aren't inherently malicious, seemingly only designed to throw people from dungeons. Link even uses one to escort Zelda from danger. Again, mindless, acting only on it's simple functions of "remove intruders".

      I also find it interesting that the Triforce Heroes Wallmaster's have a black/teal tech look to them, much like Twili design, but are emblazoned with a Sheikah Eye. This only furthers my belief that the Sheikah and Twili share roots somewhere...

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      By the way, if Wallmasters only truly attack the dead, why do they attack Link in ALBW with such ferocity? I believe it's something like one hit and instant death? Or I may be thinking of another game but the point still stands.
    • Nonoctoro wrote:

      But yeah, they prefer to expulse intruders from dungeons.

      I don't think they attack the livings, rather the deads.
      So they drag the undead to afterlife and try to keep people away from the undead for their own safety?

      Velivolo wrote:

      The Zonai also have similarities with the Interlopers. They're both tribes of powerful magic users who were warlike (Not much is known about the Interlopers, but they did go to war for the Triforce) and disappeared quite suddenly...
      Do we have any explicit confirmation that the Zonai's disappearance was sudden?
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    • Kokiri Kid wrote:

      So they drag the undead to afterlife and try to keep people away from the undead for their own safety?
      Maybe it's less about the person's safety, and moreso about protecting the treasures hidden within dungeons. Though I suppose another idea is that the Wallmasters could be fiercely territorial of their crypts or even the realm of the dead. Maybe it's akin to a man catching a rat or pest in their house and letting it free to the outdoors?
    • Kokiri Kid wrote:

      So they drag the undead to afterlife and try to keep people away from the undead for their own safety?

      I need more confirmation but this idea came from my research on what could be their inspiration.

      But you are right, they usually protect a treasure or a place like an Armos or a Beamos and were summoned for that task.
      Zant Hands are artificial Wallmasters of Twili Tech.

      Chateau Romania - Lite wrote:

      I also find it interesting that the Triforce Heroes Wallmaster's have a black/teal tech look to them, much like Twili design, but are emblazoned with a Sheikah Eye. This only furthers my belief that the Sheikah and Twili share roots somewhere…

      I wouldn't call this "Tech" but Magic.
      That's an eye symbol but not a Sheikah Symbol even if this one has a tear looking thing beneath it.

      I also believe this, they are both know as the Shadow Tribe/Folk, I don't think the Dark Tribe were Sheikah Defector, I think the Sheikah were Dark Tribe defector.
    • "Magitek" might be the best way to put it, perhaps. And the hand still has the classic Twili colors/glow, and I think some would argue that the Twili seemed pretty "magitek"-y. And I don't know of any other instance of a teared Eye in the series besides the Sheikah. I do notice the lack of eyelashes. I guess maybe the closest design, besides maybe any other generically Evil Eye, would be the Twili "Eye" on Zant's throne?
    • Kokiri Kid wrote:

      Do we have any explicit confirmation that the Zonai's disappearance was sudden?
      From MW/CaC:

      "The Zonai themselves are spoken of in hushed whispers as strong magic wielders who vanished suddenly thousands of years ago. The disappearance of the Zonai is one of Hyrule's greatest mysteries."
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    • That depends on if the TFH Wallmaster are in fact Sheikah constructs. The Twili employ similar teardrop-less eye insignias that otherwise resemble Sheikah sigils, most notably on the back of the Fused Shadow and the Twili throne (which strengthens the case for the Interlopers being Yiga-esque renegade Sheikah), so these could very easily be Zant Hand-esque Interloper tech.

      My question is, why has such tech persisted for so long in Hytopia, of all places? One could easily argue that Interloper tech and civilization was purged from Hyrule by or at the urging of the Light Spirits, hence why we don't really see it there (with the potential exception of the Trident if Power), but why then did it survive and remain functional in the Drablands?

      Then again, we have Majora's Mask and Termina to consider. Perhaps the Interlopers were nomadic or otherwise widespread, existing at any given time in multiple worlds and countries before finally trying their hand at Hyrule.
    • gamtos wrote:

      Personally I think the TFH one perfectly matches a slightly more cartoonish Sheikah eye.

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      Let's not forget this one.

      Vaati has nothing to do with Sheikahs, he was once a minish corrupted by the Heart of men.
      "He had always been entranced by the evil that lives in the hearts of men."-His figurine

      He put the Mage's Cap, which allow its wielder to make Wishes, to control its Force.
      "Force: The sacred power the gods gave to the world. It's the breath of life itself."-HH

      After obtaining the Light Force, Vaati was something of a God.
      "The Light Force: A source of infinite power from the heavens that holds the enormous power of the Force, which originally dwelled in all things."-HH
      He didn't stole all of Zelda's Life Force but quite enough.

      Why would he choose the eye Symbol ? The Eye Symbol is more than just the Sheikah, it's found in a lot of ancient Tribes and Sheikahs are one of them.
      The core of Malice creatures is an Eye. That's why Bellum, Agahnim and Veran use it.
      It's maybe why Vaati was using it too, he was all about the Darkness of the Heart and become a Demon.

      But I think there is another meaning, he was seeking for power.
      I started a Theory on the "Seekers", an hypothetic Tribe that connect the Sheikah and the Dark Tribe/Twili.
      It's all started at Typhlo Ruins.

      The Japanese name of this place is ドイブラン遺跡 (Doiburan Iseki), a deformation of the word ブラインド"Blind".
      Blindness ... Eyes ... The third eye.

      I think it's once again about the third Eye.
    • I was going to argue there's no other teared Eyes besides the Sheikah, but I do recall Veran possessing one as well. Infact, like the TFH Wallmaster, there's no lashes either. I wonder if there's some significance to each of the Eye logo elements beyond just differentiation of tribes. I know this was mostly addressed in Nonoctoro's Seeker theory, but I don't believe it discussed the significance of a Teared Eye/with no lashes
    • Also, though this is non-canon, I still think it's of note. Maybe moreso to Nonoctoro, as they incorporated HW's Valley of Seers into their Dark Tribe/Sheikah theory.

      We've talked much about the significance and variations of Eyes across the series, but I think this blurs the line even further. One of Impa's moves in HW's has her displaying the Lashed Eye, sans tear drop.



      This is exactly like Vaati's Eye that just came up in conversation a bit earlier, a lack of teardrop and all.

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      Something else I've noticed is that, in TFH, the Armos statues also possess a very slight "tear" like the Wallmasters. At the very least there seems to be a consistent motif, though in this case it actually does possess the 3 lashes. Certainly this should be assumed to be a Sheikah Eye, as it possesses every previously discussed element?


      Maybe now we could consider the Wallmaster to be having of a Sheikah Eye?

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Chateau LonLon ().

    • Hytopia is located north of Hyrule according to HE and even of you disagree with HE you can't really deny the likelihood that Hytopia is located somewhere near Hyrule and we know the Sheikah existed at one point in the timeline and every time they say they're the "last one" a sequel comes out disapproving that...especially in the case of BOTW...so I don't see it being unlikely at all that somehow the Sheikah could have ended up in Hytopia. Mayne they stationed themselves there to keep watch on the Hytopians or maybe they just decided to live there.