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Why were Ordon's children in TP kidnapped?
  • As I recall, a twilight portal opened up above the spring when the King Bulblin blew his horn; they went to Ordon to spread the twilight. This wasn't anything about Ordon in particular, just Zant wanted to darken the whole world and Ordon is a part of that.


    As the story is, they were likely just kidnapped because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time and bulblins are *******s (as the later Kakariko Village raid where they pick up Colin indicates). But some speculation on the non-finalized plot:
    They abandoned the kids at Kakariko and took Ilia to the Hidden Village. Perhaps they were rounding up Hylians on Ganondorf's order like in Wind Waker.
    Zelda's presence at the ending and Link drawing the Master Sword (which can only be drawn when an evil person seeks the Triforce, as told by LttP) seem to indicate that at one point in development his goal was the complete Triforce.
    Many people theorize that the Temple of Time's state of disrepair is, or is related to, Ganondorf's crime for which he is being executed. If he's involved, he may know of the Master Sword and may know of the prophecy that it can only be wielded by a Hylian, hence Ilia's isolation from the non-Hylian kids also a reason for the kidnapping of humans in general.
  • Mandrag wrote:

    Zelda's presence at the ending and Link drawing the Master Sword (which can only be drawn when an evil person seeks the Triforce, as told by LttP) seem to indicate that at one point in development his goal was the complete Triforce.
    Many people theorize that the Temple of Time's state of disrepair is, or is related to, Ganondorf's crime for which he is being executed. If he's involved, he may know of the Master Sword and may know of the prophecy that it can only be wielded by a Hylian, hence Ilia's isolation from the non-Hylian kids also a reason for the kidnapping of humans in general.


    But Ganondorf clearly didn't know anything about the Master Sword. This is clear from the final battle, where he says this.

    TP Ganondorf wrote:

    An impressive looking blade...but nothing more. Would you hear my desire? To take this foul blade...and use it to blot out the light forever!


    So he obviously thinks the Master Sword is nothing more than a badass-looking but typical sword.
  • Link92 wrote:

    But Ganondorf clearly didn't know anything about the Master Sword.
    So he obviously thinks the Master Sword is nothing more than a badass-looking but typical sword.


    I was speculating on what the story may have been at a previous point in development, as there are several inconsistencies. I know that he doesn't know about the Master Sword, but it's an explanation as to the kidnapping events that they may have worked with earlier.
  • Mr Dent wrote:

    Well, Zant had cursed Midna to look like a small person right? Maybe Zant gave Bulblin orders to find young/young looking people, and Bulblin decided to just take them all!

    And don't say that Link should have been kidnapped, he was under Bulblin's boar when he was checking if there were any more kids.


    Yes Link should have been kidnapped. He was right under Bulblin's boar, a massive blind spot.
  • hyrule_legend76 wrote:

    I wouldn't be surprised if Midna herself was behind the kidnapping. It makes sense that she would need motivation to get Link to help her and in the beginning was far more interested in her own problems.

    Then at some point she becomes extremely remorseful and apologetic about everything she had put Link through for her selfish needs.


    That's actually not a bad thought. Ilia and Colin were the only guys that convinced Link into helping Midna. However, I don't think King Bulbin has anything to do with Midna.
  • Mandrag wrote:

    Yes Link should have been kidnapped. He was right under Bulblin's boar, a massive blind spot.


    Sorry, I miswrote that. He should have been kidnapped based of the intentions I am guessing Zant gave Bulblin, but I am talking about the trolls who will try to disprove my guess by saying Link would have been kidnapped as well.

    and he was, just after he fell unconscious from the wolf transformation.
  • Yup, it kind of muddies the water a bit for other games in the series, where Hylian elves are referred to outright as "humans," yet clearly there are actual, rounded-ear humans present alongside them in every game. Unless it's more of a "humanoid" blanket-labeling of some sort, maybe.
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  • TheRippleEffect wrote:

    But what other reason could there be? Only the children were kidnapped, and only in Ordon. It's not like kids from Castle Town or Kakariko were taken. Maybe he didn't know about Link specifically, but knew that a threat would come from there. Ganon sensed the triforce and relayed the message to his followers, or something.

    EDIT: I thought about it some more, and decided that it's just a plot device. Link needed incentive to follow Midna on her quest for the Fused Shadows, and kidnapping his friends was generic enough to work.



    Or maybe it was just to make sure the people of Ordon didn't try to form a resistance because without knowing the safety of their children the would be in an emotional breakdown...

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  • Zeldablue777 wrote:

    That's the likely conclusion. People are called human in MM too.

    Another thought just hit me, that maybe it could've been some sort of contradictory translational artifact from the original Japanese that didn't make it all the way through quality control when games like MM were being localized for English-speaking audiences.

    Still...agreed, there's definitely a racial distinction to be made, there, between the Hylians and the humans in each game. Just going by their physical appearances alone, there's no question about it.
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  • Hylians are humans, but some games feature other humans too, like the Ordonians. Its like growing up in China and saying Africans aren't humans...

    But yeah, I never understood why anyone got kidnapped...
    But I don't think Bulbin really had anything to do with the Twilight though. He seemed freaked out when the portal appeared, and ran off. I did notice that Bulbin was looking around the spring, possible for a spirit. Maybe he was sent to kill it and didn't know exactly what to do, or maybe the horn had something to do with it, but right then the portal appeared, which seemed unexpected... also, I don't think they missed Link, they just left him there intentionally. They just wanted the kid and the girl, and knocked out the guy so he couldn't interfere. But still why take the kids? What if they were running from the twilight? Ordon was the only place untouched. And after the portal appeared the moblins obviously went towards Ordon, most likely to escape what they knew was about to happen. Then they took the other children there with them once the twilight went away and they were free to get to the field again. How could they be working for Ganon? Isn't Ganon in the Twilight Realm at this point? And I think its (almost) clear that they aren't working for Zant...

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  • Hylians clearly do not even belong to the same species as humans, as they are clearly elvish, physically-speaking (as are their Kokiri brethren), and Shigeru Miyamoto once mentioned that he was drawing upon "traditional" fantasy elements such as elves when creating the original The Legend of Zelda.

    (Also, the presence of dwarves -- another traditional fantasy race -- in Zelda II and ALttP further delineates the distinctions between humans, elves, and other races in Hyrule.)
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  • Chaos Auteur wrote:

    Hylians clearly do not even belong to the same species as humans, as they are clearly elvish, physically-speaking (as are their Kokiri brethren), and Shigeru Miyamoto once mentioned that he was drawing upon "traditional" fantasy elements such as elves when creating the original The Legend of Zelda.

    (Also, the presence of dwarves -- another traditional fantasy race -- in Zelda II and ALttP further delineates the distinctions between humans, elves, and other races in Hyrule.)


    Hardly. Read this thread to clarify that for you.

    My thoughts on that subject:
    Hylians don't seem to be a completely different species, as much as a different race of humans.

    Pointed ears could simply be one of their races characteristics, which are not shared by other human races. As this list shows:

    Asians - Small eyes
    South American - Tan skin
    Northern European - Pale skin
    Hylians - Pointed ears

    I doubt that hylians are different from humans in any other way. Hence why they are refered to as humans. Because Hylian is a race and not a species. Unlike Zora or Rito.

    It's the easiest and most logical answer. Remember Occam's razor.
  • Chaos Auteur wrote:

    Hylians clearly do not even belong to the same species as humans, as they are clearly elvish, physically-speaking

    My nose is wide and round. Clearly I am a different species than my cousin whose nose is long and narrow.

    Chaos Auteur wrote:

    (Also, the presence of dwarves -- another traditional fantasy race -- in Zelda II and ALttP further delineates the distinctions between humans, elves, and other races in Hyrule.)

    Well, there's a short guy. Who's to say he's not just a short guy?
  • AzraelBlack wrote:

    Hylians don't seem to be a completely different species, as much as a different race of humans.

    Pointed ears could simply be one of their races characteristics, which are not shared by other human races. As this list shows:

    Asians - Small eyes
    South American - Tan skin
    Northern European - Pale skin
    Hylians - Pointed ears

    I doubt that hylians are different from humans in any other way. Hence why they are refered to as humans. Because Hylian is a race and not a species. Unlike Zora or Rito.

    It's the easiest and most logical answer. Remember Occam's razor.

    Actually, using Occam's Razor in this case would be to consider Link's species elven, which (as mentioned above) one of the staple races of high fantasy literature, and very likely the main influence upon Miyamoto nearly 25 years ago. (To say nothing of countless other fantasy games out on the market today.)

    That's the absolute simplest logical reasoning, here. One really shouldn't overthink these things, particularly relating to a mere video game series.


    Mandrag wrote:

    Well, there's a short guy. Who's to say he's not just a short guy?

    Right, admittedly the short people in Zelda II could simply be extremely short people, but in the case of ALttP, the dwarven swordsmiths in Kakariko Town are clearly called..."the Dwarven Swordsmiths," during the game's closing credits. ;)

    So we definitely know that dwarves exist in Hyrule, as well, even if in only one game.
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