The obligatory question: Where does Breath of the Wild fit in the timeline?
by on June 17, 2016

A new era of The Legend of Zelda is upon us! And with that comes widespread speculation about the details of the game, the secrets of its plot, and its placement within the entire universe of Hyrule. So many details have been unveiled about Breath of the Wild this week—indeed, we’ve seen six hours of live coverage by Nintendo’s Treehouse at E3 and many more from news outlets across the globe—that it almost seems crazy that we know oh so little about the game. Nintendo has done their best to keep as many of Breath of the Wild’s story secrets out of the demo and away from the public’s eyes.

Yet naturally they have given us just a few secrets via winks, nods, and smiles to give us a small helping hand in placing this game amongst the 17 other games within of the sprawling Zelda triply-forked timeline. And we’re going to need all the help we can get to figure out exactly where this new game for Wii U and Nintendo NX might fit amongst all the resurrections of Ganon and the timeline gotchas.

The calamity of Ganon

Before we start trying to figure out where Breath of the Wild fits into the increasingly complicated Zelda timeline, the first sensible thing to do is to figure out where it doesn’t fit. With four segments of the timeline to choose from (naturally counting the pre-Ocarina of Time segment before the three-way split transpires), the ability to rule out one or more segments makes it much easier to sort through all the details.

Thankfully, there is one easy segment that we can absolutely eliminate from the equation: Breath of the Wild must take place sometime after Ocarina of Time.

The new Zelda game contains over 100 shrines that dot the landscape. During the first day of Nintendo’s E3 livestream, Nintendo’s Treehouse showed gameplay of six of the shrines—including the “first” four shrines that exist within the Great Plateau. (Shrines technically can be done in any order, but these four are the “first” ones if only because they’re the ones Link can reach first.) Each of these shrines contains a specific trial, and completing that trial allows you to meet the monk who created that trial for the hero. Each of them will tell Link, upon meeting him, “I am a humble monk, blessed with the sight of Goddess Hylia and dedicated to helping those who seek to defeat Ganon.”

monk

This mention of Ganon is of incredible importance. First off, it identifies that Ganon must be the big bad villain that’s behind the ills of the kingdom of Hyrule in Breath of the Wild, giving us a hint as to the direction of the game’s plot. But second off, from a more timeline-oriented perspective, it practically eliminates the pre-Ocarina of Time branch of the timeline as Ocarina serves as Ganondorf’s origin story and includes his ultimate transformation into the Demon King Ganon (Hyrule Historia p.69). The only two methods by which Breath of the Wild can possibly mention Ganon—especially as a reference to him being the major antagonist of the kingdom—would either be that it takes place in one of the timeline forks or, even worse, a retcon of the entire series. I think, for the sake of sanity, it’s safer to assume the former.

Of course, there is one wrinkle that could make this neat assumption fall apart, and that’s the specific nature in which the Old Man that Link meets upon the Great Plateau talks about Ganon. He calls it “the Calamity Ganon” and subsequently refers to the swirling black cloud of gloom that surrounds Hyrule Castle as it instead of he, as one would naturally do when addressing a particular figure. There is two distinct possibilities that would resolve this paradox were the game to take place before Ocarina of Time.

It is possible for "Calamity Ganon" to be wholly different from Ganondorf, but that might be a stretch of logic.

It is possible for “Calamity Ganon” to be wholly different from Ganondorf, but that might be a stretch of logic.

That possibility is that word Ganon itself refers to more than just a person but is, perhaps, a Sheikah or Hylian word that refers to some sort of tragedy that befalls entire lands or even a dark beast of porcine nature. This could be why the tower Ganondorf constructs in Ocarina of Time is called Ganon’s Tower instead of Ganondorf’s Tower, even though the much more likely option is that generally players might have heard of Ganon from prior games or assumed it was a nickname for Ganondorf. It could make the name of Ganondorf something akin to an omen or a prophecy in some ways.

Or, quite possibly, this could be a different Ganon than the one that Ocarina of Time introduces, quite possibly a distinctly different expression of the curse Demise cast over Hyrule at the end of Skyward Sword.

However, to assume that either of these are true would mean that we’d have to break the obvious connection point with Ganon, and Ganon tends to be a fairly big and integral part to the series as a whole, especially now that we have an actual official timeline. It’s technically possible, but it’s a dubious possibility.

So thus, we have to look forward into the future and turn our attention towards the three timeline forks.

The connection to the Koroks

The first timeline segment was perhaps the easiest to eliminate. The second one requires a bit more creativity and perhaps a little guesswork. To be honest, Nintendo has done well to hide almost all of the story details of the game away from the public eye. However, despite all of the towns and most of the characters beying beyond the scope of the Great Plateau demo area, what few characters Link can come across do give us a small hint about the nature of the game’s plot. And one of the more mysterious inclusions in Breath of the Wild is the Koroks.

Until now, Koroks, as you might remember, have only appeared in a single game: The Wind Waker. When you reach the Great Deku Tree on the Forest Haven in the southeastern part of the Great Sea, you’ll find their settlement as they live in harmony with one another. The Koroks, as the Great Deku Tree explains, are “spirits of the forest” and “little children of the woods.” Moreover, the Great Deku Tree considers them to be his “cherished little children.” However, the most telling line of dialogue relating their identity is that, “Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks took on human forms, but when they came to live on the sea, they took these shapes.” In other words, the Kokiri, the forest children of Ocarina of Time eventually become the Koroks of The Wind Waker.

The Koroks in the new Zelda game are, admittedly, a little bit shy. They don’t just come out and greet you willy-nilly, though of course it remains to be seen whether or not Link might come across a settlement of Korok elsewhere in Hyrule later in the game. Instead, within the bounds of the demo area, Koroks can only be found by stumbling upon a mysterious flurry of leaves, petals, and sparkles within the world. Examining these bundles of greenery will cause a Korok to appear. However, once they do appear, they don’t exactly provide much in the way of context. Instead, after a small greeting, you’re handed a Korok Seed, with the subtext that something magical might happen if you collect a lot of them.

Until now, Koroks have only appeared in The Wind Waker. It’s easy to suggest then that Breath of the Wild must take place around there.

It might be easy to suggest then that, because of the Koroks, Breath of the Wild must take place somewhere around The Wind Waker or at least some place during the Adult Timeline that follows from Ocarina of Time. It seems, in fact, natural.

However, there’s a strong reason why I don’t believe this to be the case. First and foremost, the Great Deku Tree tells us that the Kokiri didn’t become Koroks until they came to live on the sea. In this timeline, it is strictly because of the great flood that sealed away Hyrule that the Koroks exist in their current form. Therefore, if Breath of the Wild takes place on the Adult Timeline, it would have to take place after The Wind Waker.

However, one thing we do know about the world of the soon-to-come Zelda title is a very casual reference that was dropped by Eiji Aonuma during the last parts of the first day of Nintendo’s Treehouse livestream. He mentions that, “When we created this huge world, we made sure that we added… elements from the old Hyrule world and… put them in [the game].” It’s around this moment in time where Bill Trinen starts to list off a heap of locations that are familiar to most Zelda veterans: the great volcano which is likely Death Mountain, a castle in the distance that happens to be Hyrule Castle, the ruins of the former Temple of Time, a large lake which could be Lake Hylia, and the twin peaks of a mountain range that very closely resemble mountains from an piece of official artwork found in The Legend of Zelda’s manual.

Hyrule Castle was of course rebuilt during the 100-year span between Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, and so its presence on the land would indicate that, at the very least, we’re looking at a timeline placement that would have to come after Spirit Tracks within New Hyrule.

However, the remaining points of interest would not likely be found within the new land founded by Tetra and Link. The Temple of Time would no doubt still be residing at the bottom of the Great Sea; though it could have been built anew upon the new continent, it seems rather unlikely that another one would be built since the Master Sword and Ganondorf would be resting at the bottom of the sea, never to be awoken again (at least presumably). Even so, if the Temple of Time isn’t suggestion enough, geographic features like the mountains and the lakes can’t be moved and would not be able to be recreated (at least all that plausibly).

What we can deduce from this is that it’s actually rather unlikely that this game takes place during the Adult Timeline. While it cannot be ruled out entirely, if it does take place within this fragment of the timeline, it would have to be far into the future beyond Spirit Tracks.

However, looking elsewhere means that we do have to explain why Koroks might suddenly appear in an entirely divergent game. One possible rationale, of course, is that—in a fashion similar to The Wind Waker—the Lost Woods vanished through alternative means, possibly through deforestation or war, forcing the Kokiri to either move or change form for survival. Given that the Kokiri have only been directly referenced by Ocarina of Time and within the historical ties to The Wind Waker, any bets on the Kokiri are entirely open for interpretation.

Sheikah plateau has the secret

With one timeline branch down, that leaves two more to investigate. Those branches are the Child Timeline containing Majora’s MaskTwilight Princess, and Four Swords Adventures and the Fallen Hero Timeline that contains practically everything else. It’s choosing between these two timelines where the going gets tough.

“Aonuma pointed to his T-shirt with a variation of the Sheikah eye symbol. ‘Make of that what you will,’ said Aonuma with a sly smile.”

We do have one major clue that might help us narrow down our selection, and this one comes from Aonuma himself. During an interview with Time magazine, Aonuma gave a few details regarding the overall plot behind Breath of the Wild. Time mentions that “Aonuma confirmed this version of Link has been snoozing for 100 years” after waking up in the Shrine of Resurrection at the beginning of the game. Furthermore, when asked about how this new game fits into the timeline, “Aonuma pointed to the T-shirt he came wearing, inscribed with a variation of the Sheikah eye symbol that’s appeared in Zelda games since Ocarina of Time. ‘Make of that what you will,’ [sic] said Aonuma with a sly smile.”

Clearly this is intended as a big hint. It doesn’t tell us anything incredibly specific, but it does give us a small indication of where to look for clues. The secret is contained within the lore of the Sheikah. And when you start looking for the sign of the Sheikah within Breath of the Wild, you find it everywhere. And given that Link’s Sheikah Slate is essentially an iPad that can cast magic spells (or at least sufficiently technological feats that might be interpreted as magic), one can clearly see just how advanced the Sheikah civilization was, especially given that Hyrule is typically portrayed with medieval flair.

Unfortunately for us, however, the Sheikah are perhaps one of the most secretive of all the races in all of Hyrule, even more secretive than the Kokiri despite the fact that the Sheikah have made many more appearances than the Kokiri. Even the Gerudo have more explanation than the Sheikah despite both having incredible importance to the role of the Triforce throughout time. Much of this mystery exists because the Sheikah remain relatively elusive and hidden away from the world, keeping the secrets of their race (or tribe? or culture?) hidden with them.

Besides, discounting Sheik who only portrayed a Sheikah as a guise to fool Ganondorf, there’s only been two (or as many as five, depending upon how you count Impa) known Sheikah in existence, and all of them are named some variation of Impa.

But perhaps ironically (or perhaps luckily), the Sheikah civilization pokes their heads in both of the remaining timeline branches. Naturally, the story of the Sheikah as we know it has its roots back in Skyward Sword with the warrior Impa who guides both Link and Zelda simultaneously on their quest to defeat Ghirahim and entrap Demise. That legacy carries forward all the way to Ocarina of Time, where (presumably) a later Impa takes on the dual role of Princess Zelda’s nursemaid and the Sage of Shadow.

From there, things diverge a little more interestingly.

Twilight Princess never outright says the word “Sheikah,” but then it also never directly references the “Triforce” in any of the text either. Instead, there’s an allusion to the role of the Sheikah after the defeat and exile of Ganon decades prior. Along Link’s mission to reach the City in the Sky, Link will come across the Hidden Village tucked away within the mountains. According to the Goron Gor Coron, the Hidden Village “belonged to the tribe that protected the Hylian royal family long ago. They worked in secret, so they lived in a lonely, forgotten place. But I heard that tribe dwindled in the prolonged wars….” In fact, when Link finally makes it to the Hidden Village, there’s only a sole remaining resident, the elderly woman Impaz.

The Hidden Village belonged to the tribe that protected the Hylian royal family. But that tribe dwindled in the prolonged wars…

It’s never suggested whether or not Impaz is a descendent of the Sheikah or not. However, one thing is for sure: a tribe of them certainly existed at one point in time, and as such they must have been a reasonably powerful force in numbers, at least in the days before the wars that have plagued Hyrule. But it seems reasonable to suggest that Impaz was the last Sheikah to ever exist.

Could it be that Breath of the Wild takes place at some point well beyond Twilight Princess, in a time when the Sheikah have been exterminated and only a fragment of their civilization remains via the clues they left behind? It’s certainly possible. Twilight Princess shows very well that there was a Sheikah civilization at one point in time, and who’s to say that the winds of time have buried their memory only to be uncovered by Breath of the Wild long after the events of Four Swords Adventures?

After all, Wolf Link does make a cameo appearance! (Not that I expect that many people are taking that too seriously…)

However, despite the fact that there seems to be decent alignment within the Child Era of the timeline, I cannot help but feel that the Fallen Hero Timeline is a much stronger fit for the game. Instead of Impaz, we get to see the continued references to Impa over the course of the years. Impa shows up in both Oracle games, though this time she’s depicted as a much pudgier yet more youthful variation of herself. However, the word Sheikah is never used here; she continues to only be referred to as Zelda’s nursemaid.

However, her next appearance in A Link Between Worlds does give her a role as one of the Seven Sages; while it doesn’t strongly tie her in with the Sheikah clan of ancient times, it certainly implies that she is hugely important to the happenings in these later Hyrulean days. If indeed Impa is a Sheikah, it is possible—especially considering how old the Impa of Skyward Sword grows to be—that the Impa of the Oracles transitions through A Link Between Worlds to The Legend of Zelda and The Adventure of Link, where an aged woman beseeches Link to rescue not one but two Zeldas ensorcelled by Ganon’s insidious influence.

Sheikah or not, we can almost certainly assume that the Hidden Village that existed in Twilight Princess would have to exist offscreen somewhere within this timeline; after all, it would be a waste for the Sheikah to become so very powerful only to be decimated by wars within the small amount of time between Majora’s Mask and Twilight Princess. So quite possibly, the Sheikah, once a powerful force back during the days of Four Swords and The Minish Cap are slowly whittled away over time to leave just Impa as the last.

What truly makes the Fallen Hero Timeline a shoo-in is that it is thematically perfect for Breath of the Wild.

The story of the Sheikah in the Fallen Hero Timeline seems to fit the story that we get from Breath of the Wild. But wait, there’s more. What truly makes the Fallen Hero Timeline a shoo-in is the fact that they are thematically so perfect for one another.

A kingdom in decline in need of a resurrected hero

Only two of the Child Timeline’s games take place in Hyrule. And yet both Twilight Princess and Four Swords Adventures seem to depict Hyrule in a relatively healthy and wealthy state. While, yes, both of these games involve takeovers of the kingdom of Hyrule by Ganon, Hyrule doesn’t seem that bad off. Just look at the state of Hyrule Castle at the beginning of Twilight Princess; that castle is the most opulent version of that castle shown to date with amazingly sculptures, marbled floors, luxurious artwork, and a sky-high throne of majestic nature five stories up looking out over the plebeians below. Even Four Swords Adventures depicts Hyrule Castle, despite its unfortunate destruction in Twilight‘s finale, as a thriving place.

Much of this, no doubt, is due to the fact that Link is quick on the scene both times Ganon comes to power. Link is already moving towards Hyrule Castle about the time Zant and the Twilight Realm finally make a move on the castle, and Link is already on the scene when Ganon uses the Dark Mirror to release Vaati from his prison. In both cases, there really isn’t much opportunity for Ganondorf to completely wreck up Hyrule’s overall success.

But Breath of the Wild seems to be in a state of relative ruin. Everywhere one looks, there are temples in shambles, broken walls of buildings long fallen, and civilization that has fled to the corners of the kingdom. Ruins exist everywhere upon the Great Plateau and beyond, seeming to suggest that Hyrule has been on hard times for quite some time. And this is exactly what the Fallen Hero Timeline depicts over time.

Ruins are everywhere, reminding us of the civilization that once was.

Ruins are everywhere, reminding us of the civilization that once was.

First, Hyrule has had to suffer the death of the Hero of Time which subsequently led to “the kingdom [falling] into ruin during the Imprisoning War, and the bloodline of the Hylians weakened with the ages, until their existence was naught but a thing of the past. The sages’ power also waned, and Hyrule, once called the Kingdom of the Gods, became nothing more than an ancient legend” (Hyrule Historia p.93). Then, generations later, a corrupt prince later allowed a wizard to cast a spell upon his sister, the Princess Zelda. As such, “no one appeared who was able to wield the Triforce, and Hyrule divided again and again, continuing to shrink. The proud kingdom of Hyrule had once covered a vast area of land, but the passage of the ages saw its decline, and it eventually shrank into a single, small kingdom” (p.105).

It’s impossible to know the scale and scope of Hyrule’s decline in Breath of the Wild given that the E3 demo limits us to exploring a sacred area that is specifically known for not being inhabited by humans. However, the setting of Breath of the Wild seems to fit the theme of the Fallen Hero Timeline.

Resurrection of the hero

All that remains is figuring out where specifically Breath of the Wild takes place. And perhaps the only good way of knowing for sure is by looking at the opening moments of the game. Link awakens in Breath of the Wild after 100 years of slumber. That’s, of course, the information that Aonuma revealed earlier.

But could it be that what Aonuma said isn’t supposed to be taken entirely literally? After all, the name of the place Link wakes up in is called the Shrine of Resurrection, perhaps implying that Link’s 100-year slumber was the slumber of death. Maybe Link wasn’t exactly “sleeping” and instead was waking up from being killed? In other words, could it possibly be that the Link from Ocarina of Time, after being killed by Ganondorf in Ganon’s Tower, is being revived in Breath of the Wild? If that’s the case, then essentially the plot of Breath of the Wild would have to be that of the immediately following Imprisoning War.

It’s certainly a legitimate possibility. But the major down side to this is, of course, that we won’t be outright killing Ganondorf but instead merely sealing him away into the Dark World at the end of the game. But nevertheless, this would also be a retcon of sorts too since it was the Seven Sages, sans Link, that sealed Ganon, only to eventually be defeated by Link in A Link to the Past.

Does this actually depict a 100-year slumber? Or is it actually a revival after 100 years of death?

Does this actually depict a 100-year slumber? Or is it actually a revival after 100 years of death?

So maybe that’s not the case. But if not, then what?

Perhaps the most ideal placement would be somewhere around The Legend of Zelda or The Adventure of Link. After all, Hyrule would have had to face centuries of decline through the scope of the Fallen Hero Timeline. What’s more, given that the Treehouse have been repeatedly mentioning these twin peaks from that piece of The Legend of Zelda artwork over and over again during their livestream of Breath of the Wild could be a significant hint. The potential downside that we have to face here, though, is that Ganon is ultimately defeated after each game he appears in during this branch of the timeline. But if Ganon can be resurrected in the Oracles by Twinrova and in The Legend of Zelda by his minions and then almost resurrected again in The Adventure of Link, well, it’s likely that he could have been resurrected here in this game as well.

Nintendo has referenced this image so many times. Maybe that's a big clue?

Nintendo has referenced this image so many times. Maybe that’s a big clue?

What does that mean for Link, however? What would cause him to take a 100-year nap only to be woken up when the kingdom of Hyrule was once again imperiled? Perhaps a Link from one of the games, after beating Ganon, decided to put himself on ice in order to wait out the inevitable prophetic day when Ganon would return. Could it be that a hero sacrificed the destiny over his future for the purpose of defeating Ganon in a different era when perhaps maybe, just maybe, he could be defeated for good?

By no means is this a conclusive placement, but for me it feels like a best spot in the timeline for the game. For me, there’s just some nice poetry found within the Link, after having undergone two grueling quests to rid the world of Ganon, sacrificing ever so much for the sake of a world he barely knew. And so, despite the fact that the Link of Zelda II is left-handed and the Link of Breath of the Wild is right-handed for the very bizarre reason that the sword buttons are on the right side of the controller (as if it had ever been elsewise), I have to personally conclude for now that the best spot for our new game is perhaps a century after Zelda II: The Adventure of Link.

But really, all that I can figure for certain is that the world of Breath of the Wild seems to take place in the far future, and the far, far right end of one of our three timeline branches. That much seems a reasonably safe bet, and I imagine that most of you could at least agree to that. But perhaps you think that the Adult or Child Timelines are a better spot for our new Zelda game? Perhaps you think you’ve uncovered some subtle connection that more solidly links it to something found in another game? By all means, tell us in the comments where you think it belongs.

David Johnson
David Johnson, a.k.a. "The Missing Link," was once the webmaster of both Zelda: The Grand Adventures and ZeldaBlog. He works as a software engineer in the games industry. David also pontificates about Zelda, writes features and guides for ZU, and obsesses about CD-i.
  • Valwin Mediaz

    sea salt

    • The Missing Link

      Yes, I’ve actually been told about the Rock Salt’s reference to the “ancient sea,” though it’s admittedly a little vague. Could it be Wind Waker’s great sea? Possibly. But it could easily be some other sea as well (such as the Sand Sea from Skyward Sword) just as easily.

      Ultimately, what we’ve seen so far is a game that pulls in references to all three forks of the timeline (plus the original timeline if you consider the Goddess Hylia to count!), so it’s one that we’ll have to wait until we get a bit more context and see which of the references hold more weight than the others.

      • hollander

        Definitely no TWW sea.

        Ganon: Turned to rock impaled with the Master Sword at the bottom of a SEA.
        Ganon’s pulled some tricks before but that was THE end for him in the adult timeline.

        Also, Link’s crew departed from Outset island and found New Hyrule.
        It can’t explain his presence in normal Hyrule, nor the Old Man, nor his coma sleep.
        And what of the Master Sword?
        It was in Ganon’s head at a bottom of a sea, even if Ganon escaped (chance is very very small.) why would it be resting in it’s familiar pedestal in the woods.

        • Taylor Edwards

          It has never ever been confirmed by Nintendo that Ganon met his final definite end in The Wind Waker. That is only baseless fan speculation, and it’s not like any other Zelda Game can explain how Link wound up in stasis and found an old guy in the woods. Link probably decided to go back to Old Hyrule in order to protect it. Lastly, are you serious about that Master Sword comment? You’ve probably been playing Zelda longer than I have, how have you still not caught on to the fact that the Master Sword has always appeared randomly throughout Hyrule with no explanation as to how it’s able to move on its own? No Zelda game has EVER explained how the Master Sword changes its location and the Master’s Sword’s location has NOT been consistent in ANY Zelda game before. Don’t pull that crap on me.

          • Matty77

            Hey, I just made this Disqus account just to tell you that I think you’re playing devil’s advocate a little too much here. No one was “pulling crap” on you. And honestly, is it really a stretch for fans to believe that something that happens in a single game (i.e. the Master Sword being placed in Ganondorfs head in WW) could be referenced again later or possibly even be used as context for something else in a later game? You said they have never explained where the Master Sword came from in each game but are you forgetting Ocarina of Time to Twilight Princess? It SEEMS heavily implied that the fist game explains enough how the Master Sword got to be where it was in Twilight Princess. OF COURSE I could be wrong, but my point is that you shouldn’t be so aggressive about people believing something that is at least heavily implied, let alone playing the victim card about having people trying to deliberately lie to you or something. Have a nice day!

          • Raw4_8guy

            Here here!

          • hollander

            It’s never been confirmed no, and I didn’t say that Ganon’s end was definite, but it could easily be. Regardless, it’s very likely to be a seal from which he can’t really escape.
            The WW seal is much, much more than the other seals.
            It’s not baseless speculation, just look at the damn seal.

            The stasis from which Link wakes up can be connected with evidence in Hyrule Historia (in post-oot downfall timeline placement) whereas other timeline placements have zero backing for it.
            Your bullshit speculation, oh, he just decided to go ”back” to some other continent which he has never seen before, also a flooded continent.
            Draining a sea like that? nah, not so likely.

            Master Sword doesn’t move in the games inexplicably.
            The only ”movement” which so far hasn’t been explained yet is from OoT’s ToT to TP’s ToT in the middle of lost woods ruins.
            But even that isn’t very hard to explain through speculation.
            OoT child timeline, the Master Sword is never picked up, so it remains in its pedestal.
            In TP it’s still there, only the ToT is ruined.
            So some kinda war must have happened.

            That’s it. No bullcrap.
            Think McFly THINK.

        • LunarChao5

          There is no end to Ganon. Demise’s curse in Skyward Sword means he will ALWAYS be back, even if he is seemingly killed for good.
          You may have a point for why the sword isn’t in it’s familiar space, but again, there could be a game in between that has been skipped over that shows the ocean being drained and the sword back in its home.

          • cdo12

            No, Ganon is not Demise, but a version of his evil. It ended in the Wind Waker, hence a different villain in Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks. The King wished Hyrule washed away by the triforce at the end of Wind Waker. Anything after would be new Hyrule, and Aonuma said this was old Hyrule.

          • Larry Davis

            Demise’s curse in Skyward Sword ensured that a reincarnation of himself will always follow the hero and the goddess. Once Ganondorf was impaled and turned to stone, the spirit essentially left him for Bellum in Phantom Hourglass and Maddallus in Spirit Tracks. So, since Demise’s spirit effectively “moved down the line”, Ganondorf cannot be revived and the sword stays in his forehead.

        • Alex

          Personally I think this is a new timeline split taking place at the end of WW, where Ganondorf gets what he wants by actually getting his hand on the triforce before the king does.

          • hollander

            Anotherrrr timeline split theorist?
            Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

      • Taylor Edwards

        Actually you’re wrong. There’s nothing vague about this picture. Am I being a butt? Yes, but I’m right so I don’t care.

        • cdo12

          There is nothing vague about the ancient sea of Skyward Sword. The Wind Waker has the Great Sea. Total different animal. Or ocean. Whatever.

    • hollander

      Definitely no TWW sea.

      Ganon: Turned to rock impaled with the Master Sword at the bottom of a SEA.
      Ganon’s pulled some tricks before but that was THE end for him in the adult timeline.

      Also, Link’s crew departed from Outset island and found New Hyrule.
      It can’t explain his presence in normal Hyrule, nor the Old Man, nor his coma sleep.
      And what of the Master Sword?
      It was in Ganon’s head at a bottom of a sea, even if Ganon escaped (chance is very very small.) why would it be resting in it’s familiar pedestal in the woods…

      • Taylor Edwards

        But if he did escape that seal, wouldn’t it make sense for it to have taken a tole on him, turning him into the Calamity Ganon?

        Also, Link probably knew Ganon could break the seal, since he always does, and therefore would have had every reason for him to return to Old Hyrule.

        And why wouldn’t it go to the Lost Woods? After Ganon broke the seal it had to go somewhere.

        • hollander

          I don’t exactly know the causes of why Ganondorf is sometimes a beast.
          Could be, could not be.

          I don’t think Link is fully aware, no Link ever No Link ever fought an ”escaped” Ganon.
          In the Oracles there’s a chance you battle him, but that’s due to Veran and Onox performing a rite to bring him back.
          The seal in TWW was an omnipotent one, the fookin’ blade of evil’s bane itself in his forehead.
          I think it was time to abandon the Old Hyrule and Ganon and move on to a new continent.
          Like Daphnes said himself.

          TWW Link died in Hyrule, he has a descendant (ST Link) and Nico is still there as a 116 year old man (approx.)
          A sea of that magnitude cannot drain so fast. The triforce was also kinda gone after TWW. Link returning? no way.
          Also how the fuuuuk would be get into a resurrection tower? Why the sheikah stuff?
          This means that right after Link landed he founded New Hyrule, went back to the great sea, placed himself in a resurrection tower meanwhile Ganon was calamity outta nowhere and simultenously got sealed by no one in Hyrule Castle.
          And Ganon nicely brought the sword back to the flooded lost woods because he’s an awesome lad.

    • Tlink7

      Note how it says ”the ancient sea” and not ”an ancient sea”. Unless there was another sea that covered Hyrule, which I highly doubt, this too leads me to believe BotW is set in de WW time line.
      Could just be a typo though. VERY EXCITED FOR THIS GAME 😀

      • Valwin Mediaz

        and the advance tech would make even more sense as the sea thing was so long ago

      • Raw4_8guy

        It actually doesn’t say the ancient sea and it literally says “An ancient sea” lol

        • Tlink7

          Eh? The screenshot has the text ”Crystallised salt from the ancient sea, commonly used to salt meals.”

          • Raw4_8guy

            The ancient sea. As in the Lanayru sand sea

          • Tlink7

            Bodies of water can leave salt deposits. Sand seas aren’t even a real thing and if they were, they wouldn’t leave behind salt.
            Nowhere does it say ”Lanayru sand sea” or even ”sand sea” for that matter

          • Raw4_8guy

            The Lanayru Sand Sea was once a sea. Did you play skyward sword? It was a sea and then the land became a desert and a sand sea – sea of sand.

          • cdo12

            Not only was it a sea, it was a sea at the time the robots were mining the time shift crystals you see in the shrines.

          • Raw4_8guy

            Exactly, I’m not sold that just because there is a crystallized salt that came from an ancient sea, that that is proof of this being post windwaker. Once we see a Zora that cancels the idea of this being post windwaker

          • hollander

            It cannot be post WW or adult timeline, read some other posts of mine on this disqus.
            The ”ancient sea” reference is clearly pointed to Sand Sea.
            And it was a sea because when you go back in time and battle Tentalus you will see for yourself.

          • Raw4_8guy

            Agreed! Breath of wild is downfall timeline. Either pre or post nes series. Ideally post

      • LunarChao5

        You highly doubt there was another sea? Did you play Skyward Sword? The Ancient Sea (aka the Sand Sea – it is referred to as both in the game) is an area you explore late-game. Could be this sea too

        • Tlink7

          That isn’t a real sea however, as it is made of sand. It could have been from the sea that was there before the sand sea, though that body of water wasn’t nearly as vast as the Great Sea from Wind Waker.
          http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Lanayru_Sand_Sea
          http://zeldawiki.org/Lanayru_Sand_Sea it is never referred to as ”the Ancient Sea”
          Nintendo has a habit of just changing the lore at a whim though, so it could’ve been a new sea all together. We will just have to wait until more details emerge 🙂

          • cdo12

            Yes it is called the ancient sea. It is in the general same area that the rocks are found. The rocks are even in the ancient sea, and you have to avoid them in your time shift boat.
            http://zeldawiki.org/Ancient_Sea_Chart

          • Taylor Edwards

            The Rock Salt was found in the Great Plateau, which is close to the Sealed Grounds, which we know because they are both said to be the birthplace of Hyrule. Lanayru Sand Sea exists faaaaar to the East of the Sealed Grounds, therefore the Ancient Sea mentioned in Breath of the Wild couldn’t possible be the Lanayru Sand Sea.

          • cdo12

            Link lands right behind the Sealed Temple, in what would now be Gerudo desert. it’s in the shadow of that mountain.

          • Taylor Edwards

            The Sealed Grounds never became the Gerudo Desert. It became Hyrule Castle Town. You might be trying to say something different, but I just don’t understand.

          • cdo12

            The Sealed Grounds became the Temple of Time because the Gate of Time was there. The location of the second, destroyed gate is where Twilight Princess’s Hyrule castle is. And in this game, the castle is placed where the destroyed gate was. The active gate is where the Temple of Time is. Come on, sir. Please. Play the game. When they place Link down in Lanayru, it’s in the area immediately behind the Sealed Temple. When you look at the footage from the Mt. Hylia area where they go outside the Plateau, it’s the part Bill calls Utah and it’s desert. Utah, at one time in the far distant past was the Lanayru mining facility.

          • cdo12

            It’s not that you don’t understand, you’re missing parts of what I say. I never wrote Link lands in the Sealed Grounds. I said he lands behind it. The Sealed Grounds did not become Hyrule Castle. It became the Temple of Time. Hyrule Castle is adjacent to it, until it’s destroyed, then it is moved northward in subsequent games to where the second gate of time was destroyed and rebuilt on that spot in Lanayru. It’s originally in Faron, on the border with Lanayru.

          • hollander

            It’s called Sand Sea, because sand is all that remains. It’s now a sea of sand.

          • Tlink7

            When a body of water evaportates/is allocated, there isn’t magically sand that replaces it xD but again, no point in using real-world science here, because it is a video game 😛 we will just have to wait for more information
            Mooie klompen trouwens

          • hollander

            Ja lol thx xD.
            Maargoed, zoals je zei, het zijn games.
            Ik heb ooit met een gast zitten discusseren die dacht dat Magnezone geen levitate kon hebben omdat magnetische microgolven van de Aarde zijn krachten verstoorden, en nog meer zulke crap.

            Maar het zand zou een overblijfsel kunnen zijn van een zee. Gewoon de zeebodem.
            Als je Tentalus bevecht in het verleden in SS, dan zie je zelf de zee terwijl je op het Zand Schip staat.

          • Tlink7

            Haha, ja je moet er niet al te veel over na denken xD

            En klopt, dus het zou ook prima die zee kunnen zijn. Maar stiekem hoop ik dat het de Great Sea is, omdat me het heel vet lijkt om te zien hoe het verhaal verder gaat (ver) na Wind Waker. We zullen zien!

    • cdo12

      The sea salt from the ancient sea is from Skyward Sword. Not only do you take skipper, using a timeshift stone that curiously matches the sheikah shrine stones, across it, but you get a lovely little item called the ANCIENT SEA CHART. The location of this? Under where Hyrule castle now sits, extending outward. “You got the Ancient Sea Chart! This old map details the area as it was long ago, before the sea succumbed to the desert sand.” — N/A (Skyward Sword)

      • Raw4_8guy

        Here Here!

    • B Young

      Hyrule is almost certainly underlain principally by limestone (that grayish cliff-forming rock everywhere). That ancient sea would be truly ancient (millions of years ancient). Well before any of the games. Hence, the ancient sea was likely long before the events of Wind Waker or even Skyward Sword.

  • ajvizz

    I think Nintendo is kinda at odds with the timeline (they just made one to please fans) and this game will merge the 3 timelines back together.

    • BusterFiddlewig

      That’d be really cool actually.

    • smcrzgi

      actually thats a myth that they made it just to please the fans. if you look at the history of each game, some of the games have what i call “timeline quotes” attatched to them. these are things developers said at the time of release in interviews that revealed a place in a sort of timeline. the timeline was never solid, and was probably evolving alot, but it was there. just go to zeldawiki.org, and look up timeline quotes, and you will see what i mean. not only that, but most of the timeline quotes actually match up with what we have in Hyrule Historia.

    • Richard Rahl

      I was actually having that thought aswell. Allthough that would be hard to do. With WW timeline leaving hyrulem ganon and the master sword behind. While the other 2 don’t

    • Taylor Edwards

      No that cannot be the case, because the Great Sea only appears in one of those timelines.

      • Kevin Hanaway

        stop trolling – –

  • Lucius

    I so called this post imprising war theory !

  • DarkRPGMaster

    This article makes a good argument, but it’s really hard to nail down exactly where this game is. I see quite a bit of locales that make me feel like it’s close to Link to the Past (Turtle Rock looking place anyone?), but we’re seeing too much high tech for it to not be close to Skyward Sword.

    But at the same time the tech feels like it’s from the Twilight Realm, so could maybe the two Realms have originally been one, and this game explains how they split? It WOULD also explain why Wolf Link is here and why that form was what Link took back in TP, it was the one creature that may have become associated with Link and his heroics when the Twilight Realm became separated.

    • JaidynReiman

      The tech is very much hidden, even the towers. The towers do not show up until the first one is activated. In fact, the only reason you can access any of the tech at all is SPECIFICALLY because of the Sheikah Slate.

      Basically, think of it this way: the tech has ALWAYS been in Hyrule, buried underneath the earth, and you need a specific item to access any of it. Which easily explains why its never been seen before.

      • DarkRPGMaster

        A well thought out reasoning for it. Now to link it to the other games.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Actually it’s not that hard to nail down exactly where the game is, because this picture confirms exactly where it takes place

      • Kevin Hanaway

        troll

  • Kathy Pfautsch

    I babbled about that on Twitter the day the trailer came out. tl;dr I think it’s between A Link Between Worlds and The Legend of Zelda/Adventure of Link generations.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Well you are going to be disappointed, and no, they would not need to add a fourth branch in order for the game to be on the Adult Timeline, but they would need to flood Hyrule again for it to be on any other timeline in the series.

      • Kathy Pfautsch

        …You know there was an ancient sea in Skyward Sword, right?

        • Samuel Emmert

          Yes, but it was far from were the sea salt was found in BotW.

  • Shona

    I’m not really the biggest timeline theorist — in fact I think that any sort of cohesive timeline was far down Nintendo’s priority list when they created many of the Zelda games — and I’m quite happy to enjoy each game in its own right, but I do love the wider world and mythology of Hyrule and love seeing the connections between games. To be honest I’ve been disappointed that there haven’t been enough connections between them. Skyward Sword was touted as the game where it all began, so I was hoping for more in the way of origins of previously seen characters, races and locations, yet we were given more new ones instead. I found myself caring very little for the Mogma, slightly mystified by the ancient robots, and disappointed at the end when Impa made her briefest hint about the Sheikah and that was it. So I’m super excited that the Sheikah appear to play a huge role in this game and I hope that the game will reveal ;more about them and even how they came to protect the royal family of Hyrule.

    I think that the conclusion from this article makes a lot of sense, but of course we’ll have to wait until we have the final game before really having an idea of where it fits in. Or until someone from Nintendo tells us where it fits in, like they did with Tri Force Heroes.

    I think that the connection to that artwork from the first Zelda game is pretty interesting, although it might just be a neat little feature that they added when they designed the landscape. But I really hope that we’ll see other familiar locations in Hyrule and that Nintendo will revisit other things from past games and build up their story. The Temple of Time reminds me a lot of the one from Ocarina of Time, so it does seem strange that if BotW takes place after WW, that they would have rebuilt the exact same temple.

    As soon as I saw the Korok I also thought that it must be related to The Wind Waker in some way, but agree with your point that since the great flood caused the Kokiri to change form, other similarly significant events may also have the same effect. It would be really neat if that ended up being mentioned somewhere in the game too. Nintendo has clearly put an incredible amount of detail in this game, and I really hope they have done the same with the story and mythology. Even if we don’t end up with a clear timeline, I hope the result is a richer, more detailed story and world.

  • Lucius

    Despite the presence of Koroks, I think the game has more in common with A Link to the Past and Twilight Princess than to Wind Waker.
    My reasoning is based off of: Temple of Time is present , the Master Sword is here, recycled geography.
    Theory #1 During/after the sealing war
    Link dies in OoT
    His body is recovered by Sheik, who places him in cryogenic sleep to regenerate
    The Sages use all their power to limit Ganon’s power to Hyrule Castle, but his power is growing.
    During this time, the area around the castle town where the Temple of Time stands is deserted, and falls into disrepair. The Sages move the Master Sword to the woods, here without purpose and forgotten with the hero of time dead, the sword rusts.
    Link awakens in the shrine of resurrection regenerated with little to no previous memory of who he is or where he is.
    Theory #2 Ganon’s wrath somehow survives twilight princess.
    Ganon returns after Ganondorf killed as the Calamity Ganon. A pure incarnation of Ganondorfs wrath.
    But Link was either to old (or dead) so he couldn’t fight the Calamity. So he was regenerated.

    • KD

      I agree. I think that by putting in elements from past games, Nintendo (and other companies as well) aren’t trying to tell us anything, they just want to throw in something familiar to simply excite us.

      • Taylor Edwards

        Please refer to the above picture.

    • hollander

      That first one is exactly my thoughts too.
      Also explains that ”old man” in the trailer.
      Probably King Daphnes who was disposed of when Ganon defeated Link in OoT (doomed timeline).
      He’s no a wanderer.
      The Guardians were probably used in this ”war” against Ganon and his armies.
      Hence their name.

      • Raw4_8guy

        I think the old man is the old man that gives the sword to you in TLOZ “It’s dangerous to go alone”. A while ago Nintendo said they were going to reinvent an old character in a way you didn’t see before. Now this could be the King but I don’t think it will be King Daphne’s. I think a great sage (Rauru, Gaebora Kaepora)

        • hollander

          That’s a good possibility too yeah,
          I’ve read about it.
          Right now anyone’s guess, I’m yearning for some more information.

        • cdo12

          Wasn’t the King, Gaebora etc. supposed to be some incarnation or form of Rauru?

          • Raw4_8guy

            Gaebora, the owl from ocarina, is supposed to be Rauru. I was referring to headmaster Gaebora from skyward sword. I was given the impression that he is an ancestor of Rauru/Gaebora Kaebora while playing through skyward sword

    • Taylor Edwards

      There are a LOT more connections to Wind Waker than the Koroks!

      • Raw4_8guy

        This is nothing. It’s an item you are going to use to cook with. It is literally SALT. This does not have any definitive proof regarding timeline placement. Also, alttp manual says hyrule suffered from disasters including floods before Aghanim came to the aid (to eventually trick the king). So floods also occurred in the downfall timeline not just windwaker. We only see the result of one in windwaker, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t any in any other timelines. ALTTP says that there was

    • Michael Cortorreal

      Let’s see, change Sheik for Impa and your theory makes a lot more sense, in the Fallen Timeline and Child Timeline Sheik doesn’t exist.
      Why you may ask? Cause Link was transported to a past were he could live his childhood, but he was transported to a past were he is meeting Zelda for the first time, him telling her what Ganondorf would do.

      It was because of this that Ganondorf got executed in the Child Timeline, so if Link and Zelda uncovered his ploy to the King, Zelda doesn’t need to escape Hyrule Castle.

      As for the Theory #2: It’s explained that Ganon is killed in Twilight Princess, (we know that) but in Four Sword Adventures, Ganon reappears, this Ganon is a new version of him, a second coming if you want to put it that way.

      So you are putting this Zelda between TP and FSA? It would be interesting to see how that would work, but this is not the first time Nintendo put a game in the middle of two :3

  • A brief addition to the post-Adventure of Link theory: it would make a lot of sense to see such a massive map as a follow-up to AoL’s expansive map, which I believe was explicitly mentioned by one of the Nintendo employees—and please correct me if I’m misremembering—as being the largest of any Zelda game. Of course, the scope of Zelda games hasn’t classically been connected by the timeline, so the point may very well be moot.

    I confess, I love the idea of Decline era Zelda coming back in full force. I agree that evidence seems strongest for post-AoL or post-Imprisoning War. Without the context of where and why Link was put to rest (alive or dead) 100 years earlier, it’s nigh impossible to settle at this point.

    I don’t know if you’ve been in the forum thread, but I did write some overly-long thoughts on how the Sheikah Eye suggests a post-Imprisoning War placement. It still doesn’t accommodate Ganon, in any case, and it would more than likely be the result of “wouldn’t it be cool if we made a true Decline OoT sequel?” I’m sure they have some idea of where it belongs in the timeline, if at all, but I can’t help but imagine they’re not thinking about it half as hard as we are.

  • TLOZfreak1570

    I am by no means an expert on this, and any theory is awesome as far as I’m concerned. It adds depth to the whole series and world. That said though, I saw something and I’ll just give my two cents. Here are a couple screenshots that made me think that putting it sometime in the decline timeline may be on the right path. One is from the trailer for Breath of the Wild and the other is taken from the sword picture from A Link to the Past. Take them for what they’re worth.

    • Michael James Kennedy

      Ocarina Of Time
      http://zeldawiki.org/images/a/a7/Ootmastersword.jpeg
      Twilight Princess
      http://zeldawiki.org/images/0/0f/Sacred_Grove_Inner_2.jpg
      A Link To The Past
      http://zeldawiki.org/images/4/4f/ALTTP-Master_Sword.jpg
      A Link Between Worlds
      http://zeldawiki.org/images/3/3a/ALBW_Master_Sword_Shrine.jpg

      I was so sure that since we saw the Temple of Time decay and become the new Sacred Grove in the new Lost Woods in Twilight Princess, I thought that meant that the Master Sword was found in the same place in A Link To The Past & A Link Between Worlds, in the ceiling-less forested ruins of the old Temple Of Time.
      You even see old walls in the ALBW art.
      and I saw this…

      Breath Of The Wild
      http://nintendoinquirer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/masterswordy.png

      …and I was certain that the Master Sword would be found in the ruins of the Temple Of Time, and that you would have to play thru the game to find what you need to get into that part of the Temple, maybe even the Triforce of Courage itself.

      …but then I saw this…

      http://image-cdn.gamnesia.com/31664/ck8f-cgvaaa6bpx__default-news-image.png

      …and this…

      http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/3814/915/original.jpg

      …and now I’m wondering… if that’s where the Master Sword used to be… where did they put the Master Sword?!
      Was the Master Sword not in the ruined Temple Of Time in ALTTP & ALBW?!
      Is the Forest Temple in Ocarina Of Time NOT the old Hyrule Castle in The Minish Cap?!
      and is Hyrule Castle in A Link To The Past & A Link Between Worlds NOT the old Forest Temple in Ocarina Of Time restored to it’s former Minish Cap Hyrule Castle glory?!
      I’m questioning EVERYTHING!

      • Anthony Druckenmiller

        Uh, dude, how the fudge do you get that the Forest Temple is MC’s Hyrule Castle? They look nothing alike. MC Hyrule Castle has no well like the Forest Temple, MC Hyrule Castle has no room with four distinct torches, etc.

      • Nina

        When I saw the statue glowing in the gameplay, I was 100% sure that it is going to be important later.
        The game mentions Hylian all the time. And Hylian was the (indirect) responsible for funding Link and Zelda against Demise in SS. And, of course, for doing so, she had the help of the Sheikah – well, of Impa, at least.

        So, just a thought: maybe that statue is hiding the Master Sword or the entrance to wherever it is, and we need to do something (or six somethings, if the little angels around it are anything to go by) to actually get it!

        • cdo12

          Did you notice it’s not the big statue from Skyloft, but the smaller one from the Isle of Songs?

    • Lord Gannon

      I agree it could be set 100 years after Legend of Zelda a Link to the Past and I really hope so.

  • my booths

    I don’t post often…usually around when a new zelda is about to be released and there is hype and speculation lol. Keep it up ZU 🙂

    But what I think of timeline placement – I believe Nintendo created a timeline to please fans honestly. They really didn’t start thinking if “timeline” until recent years. I actually don’t like that they have to relate to a timeline because I feel it stifles creativity. At the same time, I think it’s great that Zelda has it since it is such a huge franchise and it’s kinda cool to see connections. With that said, I think it would be awesome that the game is post-imprisoning/fallen hero timeline and my best bet is that is where it is.

    But does anyone remember a few months back Nintendo saying how TP has connections to Zelda Wii U (what it was called at the time) around the time they were promoting to Wolf Link amiibo and TP HD? Don’t quote me but I could have sworn they said something like this. Plus, the fact that Wolf Link can be used in the game if you have the amiibo connects with this.

  • BusterFiddlewig

    I’m gonna go with it being after Spirit Tracks. Just got a strong feeling about it. Any thing that happened between ST and BotW can be another game. 😛

  • J Cesar Chavez

    I will go by the clues left on Twiligh Princess. This game on the HD version, has some artwork on the walls of Hyrule castle. There is a rito on the images, meaning they were not exclusive to the adult timeline. Link’s blue shirt resembles that of link in WW. Could it be that it happened before TP, and it is paralel with WW? Also, the female Link we believe saw in the first trailer, could have been Aryll?

    • LunarChao5

      That wasn’t a female Link, that was the same Link as now

  • DimensionalRanger

    There is so much contradicting evidence in this game!

    Taking place after WW doesn’t make sense because the ruins of the Temple of Time are a little too well preserved (seriously if the sea had drained, it would have taken more than a century, and those ruins would be almost unrecognizable) and the kingdom is very reminiscent of Hyrule from Oot. And yet there are the koroks…

    Taking place before Oot (as mentioned in this article) doesn’t make sense because of the Temple of Time looking so much like the one we know from Oot.
    And yet the wing crest of the goddess Hylia and her name (and also a statue) are prominent (by Oot no trace remained of either, only the bird and triforce crest of the royal family).

    Taking place anywhere in the child or downfall timelines does not make sense because of the omnipresence and power of the sheikah, who disappeared after OoT, leaving no remarkable traces similar to anything like the shrines.
    And yet it does give a very “downfall” feel.

    In other words, there are elements from every timeline in this game, and they make it impossible to place with certainty this entry on the timeline. From the looks of it, this could some sort of merger for the three timelines for some convoluted, very Zelda-like reason. This is breaking the conventions of Zelda after all. 🙂

  • MinishDude

    My own theory on this is that there is a new split after Wind Waker, where Ganon gets his hands on the Triforce and wishes for Hyrule to be un-flooded (or rule it, whatever). It’s a post-flood world where the Kokiri evolved into Koroks, but takes place in the Hyrule that had been flooded. However, the Hero of Winds, Zelda and the King of Red Lions manage to confine him to the castle as a last resort.

    As for what Link you’re playing as…. in the Adult timeline, it would seem that Zelda just sends Link’s CONSCIOUSNESS into the past (creating a new timeline split), leaving his body in the Adult timeline. They then put the Hero of Time into a Resurrection Chamber, in case Ganon ever breaks free of his seal. Link doesn’t awaken in-time to stop Ganon when he reappears, leading to the flood and the freezing of time in Hyrule.

    However, after Hyrule is un-flooded and time begins to flow again, more time passes until it has been 100 years *within Hyrule* (a LOT more on the surface of the Great Sea, to the point where the Hero of Time became a folk tale), and then Link manages to awaken.

    (An alternative is that you’re playing as the Hero of Winds?)

    • JaidynReiman

      I really don’t think they’re going to create another split tbh. Plus, the only time they created new splits it was split from OOT.

      • MinishDude

        Yeah, but the evidence of Koroks means that it’s a post-flood world, and it’s hard to explain without another split how Hyrule would become un-flooded with Ganon rising to power at the castle. I think another timeline split could justify the current state of Hyrule (where as far as they’re concerned, time pretty much came to a standstill when Ganon came back after OoT)

        • hollander

          Definitely no TWW sea.

          Ganon: Turned to rock impaled with the Master Sword at the bottom of a SEA.
          Ganon’s pulled some tricks before but that was THE end for him in the adult timeline.

          Also, Link’s crew departed from Outset island and found New Hyrule.
          It can’t explain his presence in normal Hyrule, nor the Old Man, nor his coma sleep.
          And what of the Master Sword?
          It was in Ganon’s head at a bottom of a sea, even if Ganon escaped (chance is very very small.) why would it be resting in it’s familiar pedestal in the woods.

          Saying a new timeline split is at hands, is total speculation, not solid at all.

          • MinishDude

            As I had proposed somewhere else in the comments, I think it’s a timeline split after Wind Waker where Ganon wins… or at least, gets his hands on the Triforce (same sorta logic they used for a third timeline after OoT). I think then maybe Link/Zelda/King of Red Lions manage to use their power to contain him within the castle, even though he got his wish to have Hyrule un-flooded.

            As for which Link is in the resurrection chamber for 100 years to fight Ganon, it would probably either be Hero of Time or Hero of Winds.

          • hollander

            I should have stopped reading at: ”I think it’s a timeline split.”

            So random out of the blue, like, oh, I have a theory but can’t explain it,,,unless.
            let’s just insert a timeline split, makes sense right? No.
            Just because there’s Koroks doesn’t mean it’s bound to be placed in the adult timeline, and another split is pure speculation without backing.
            There’s too much anti-evidence for adult timeline.

          • MinishDude

            We’ve already had branching timelines before, even “Hero is successful” and “Hero is defeated”, so it’s not implausible that they’d add another one using that logic (and they could also hypothetically put a split after any game with that logic).

            As far as evidence for the flood, there are Koroks that evolved due to the flood (which their addition in ANY other timeline would be totally inconsistent, unless a flood occurs in another timeline), AND rock salt in the mainland that was apparently from the ancient sea (i.e. the plateau was underwater….)

            However, it is possible that they’re just adding in inconsistencies like
            Koroks and rock salt (like Tingle appearing in all of the timeline splits, and eventually the Tingle bros. were added before the split), but putting it somewhere around Zelda 1/AoL OR sometime after Four
            Swords Adventures.

          • hollander

            Still too random.
            Just because Japan’s had quakes, doesn’t mean that my guess of: next week a quake gonna hit japan, makes it plausible.

            Koroks aren’t evolved.
            They appear in ALBW, painting
            They shape shift, it’s bascilly confirmed, but on tube and the net you’ll find explanation.

          • MinishDude

            I’m not sure I’d really count the ALBW painting as evidence, because it’s next to a picture of Outset Link’s outfit design…. (also, Majora’s Mask is hanging on the wall in Link’s house – those all just seem to be Easter Eggs to hype for WWHD and MM3D)

          • Samuel Emmert

            Why do you keep spamming this post?!?!?!?

    • Weston

      Wow, that sounds really convoluted…

      I love it!

    • vulpiton online

      very good theory. read my theory about pre WW. some of it can help your theory.

    • LunarChao5

      Hero of Winds is left-handed if I’m not mistaken. This new hero (Hero of the Wild?) is right-handed

      • MinishDude

        I suppose I over-looked that detail… still, it feels a bit weird for them to create a new Link that was important enough to seal away for 100 years to defeat Ganon.

        I had figured maybe the Hero of Time’s unconscious adult body was put in a resurrection chamber (after his consciousness was warped into Child timeline), but again…. left-handed 😛

        • LunarChao5

          It could be Skyward Sword Link! They look pretty similar and they’re both right-handed

          • MinishDude

            My only issue with that is whatever Link it is has been sleeping for only 100 years (in Hyrule time – granted, it was paused from the flood until the Master Sword was pulled from the pedestal), and I think that if this is a post-flood game, the only Link’s we know of that might fit in that time frame are Hero of Time, or Hero of Winds (because Skyloft, Minish Cap, etc. are probably long before OoT)

      • Samuel Emmert

        It wouldn’t be the first time a hero swapped hands; the hero of time’s shade is a righty, even though he himself if a lefty.

  • Dorian Bate

    There is a chance it could take place pre-OoT.

    Just bare with me on this point. Basing my argument on the fact that earlier games couldn’t handle larger worlds, could explain why features such as the bridge over Lake Hylia weren’t in a game until Twilight Princess. Also there is a lot of time between the end of Skyward Sword and OoT.

    What if the calamity Ganon, is a translation for Demise, rather than being the Ganondorf/Ganon character. This could be seen as an explanation on why Ganon is called Ganon if that makes sense.

    Also the fact that the goddess Hylia is mentioned I feel is very key, seen as she seems to be forgotten in later times. The shiekah were already very low in number come OoT, so referring to them here as ancient wouldn’t be too wide of the mark.

    So far the only point I think really contradicts me is the Korok’s but they could be the original form of the Kokiri, and then then the events of the Flood cause them to revert to the more plant like form.

    The final point I will make is that while the Master Sword is rusted, it had no actually use until the Adult section of OoT. It could be suggested that it rusted prior due to the lack of use after Skyward Sword.

    • Manuel Turambar

      Indeed!!! We could be witnessing the very origin of Ganon as the encarnation of Demise, then later Ganondorf could be the encarnation of Ganon just like OoT portrays. I really like your take on the Koroks, they could even be the evolution of the Kikwis, after their heroic stand with the Goddess they would be rewarded with the ability to remain as spirits of the forests, first as Koroks, then as Kokiris and back again as Koroks after the Flood.

    • Taylor Edwards

      No, it’s a sequel to Wind Waker.

      • LunarChao5

        That is not 100% confirmation. Just because one piece lf loot may hint at this being placed after WW and PH in the timeline doesn’t mean it IS.

        • Taylor Edwards

          *facepalms* Are you dense? The description of the Rock Salt flat out confirms that there was once a massive sea that covered the Kingdom of Hyrule at one point, and the Kingdom of Hyrule was only flooded after the Great Flood in Wind Waker. Yes, it’s true that it’s not 100% confirmed, but it’s a massive enough indicator of where the game takes place that you cannot deny that this game MOST likely is a sequel to Wind Waker. Also, the Koroks are from Wind Waker and the art style is inspired by Wind Waker. CAN YOU TAKE A FREAKING HINT?!

          • cdo12

            The koroks can change form at will, much as the king can turn into a boat. And the ancient sea is in Lanayru province in Skyward Sword. The Wind Waker has the Great Sea.

          • Tyson Landrum

            But the description for the rock salt says it covered Hyrule, not Laynayru province…

          • Alex D

            In the picture of the rock salt above it actually doesn’t say anything about where the sea was or is located, just that it was ancient and the salt came from it.

          • Tyson Landrum

            True very true, my bad. But still does’ make sense that something from Laynayru province ends up on the great plateau

          • cdo12

            Lanayru is part of Hyrule. The old castle town is on the borders of Lanayru and Faron, depending on which map you look at. It was also an ancient mining facility. The sea itself has big black rocks on the floor you have to avoid. Also, the part of the ancient sea they show in Skyward Sword is the part that covers Lanayru in particular. We don’t know how far that sea extended. Only that it turned to desert, then part of it regenerated to forest again.

          • Tyson Landrum

            Again true statments, the problem I have with the fallen timeline is Aonuma said its the same temple of time from Oot, and he said to play Twilight Princess, that that game will give us a hint where they are going with BotW. But I love the speculation!

          • Raw4_8guy

            Please send me the link where Aonuma said its the same temple of time from OOT. Not that I don’t believe you but I haven’t been able to find anything regarding a confirmation like that from Aonuma.

          • LunarChao5

            It’s the exact same looking building, I’m pretty sure this is what people are using as evidence

          • Raw4_8guy

            However, Aonuma did not confirm that. I believe it to be he temple of time from ocarina, however Tyson L said that Aonuma confirmed it which he did not. That’s what my response was for

          • cdo12

            I think there was only one temple of time. There were 2 gates of time, but Impa destroyed one to help Zelda escape. It is where the castle is in this game. The other one was in the Sealed Temple, which they built the Temple of Time on.

          • Raw4_8guy

            The gates of time that you are referring to are from skyward sword correct? Then is where the castle was presumably built – on the sealed grounds…but the other (the one that impa destroyed) was in lanayru by the desert. Correct – there was only 1 temple of time however it’s odd that it was in hyrule castle town in ocarina and then in Faron Woods in twilight.

          • cdo12

            If you look, the rebuilt castle is right where the second Gate of Time was. They moved the castle after Ocarina in the child timeline. It’s farther north, towards Death Mountain, oddly under where the original Skyloft was on the Skyward Sword Map. The Temple of Time remained in Faron, near the Lanayru border. Only in Twilight Princess is the castle in Lanayru. I am not so sure about the fallen timeline, cause it has it’s own squared geography cause of the age and limitations of the games.

          • Raw4_8guy

            That’s a possibility that would make sense. Not to argue with you, but why do you think the temple of time was in Faron in the other games? I feel like in ocarina, that’s more of the Lanayru/Eldin area where hyrule castle town is located

          • cdo12

            No, he didn’t. He said some things in Twilight Princess would make more sense after playing this one. Big difference.

          • Raw4_8guy

            Somebody could have taken it. Here…Link collects it at the great plateau area right? He keeps it with him for the moment right? Now he’s probably going to explore the land right? So could he possibly travel back to the lanayru province and use the rock salt to upgrade an item? there, now the salt has been relocated (again)

          • cdo12

            Very possible for the crystals to be in Skyloft itself, because the timeshift events in Skipper’s time took place before Demise tried to rise. They could have been pushed up to the sky with Skyloft.

          • cdo12

            Go online and watch a let’s play of the Lanayru mining facility. When they land, they show a map. The Sealed ground is where the Temple of Time is, and the mining facility is immediately next door, where Mt. Hylia would be in BOTW.

          • cdo12

            The game does. Go back and watch a video of the Skipper’s map part of Skyward Sword. The Great Plateau is where the goddess pushed up part of the land to save the people. Then at the end of the game, that land is brought back down. I’ve actually seen parts of the circular walls in some gameplay. They build the Temple of Time on that land. Where Link was resurrected was probably in the Sealed Temple where the gate of Time was. It matches the maps for SS. I’d even go so far as to say the old man is Rauru, who guards the gate of Time from the Sacred Realm.

          • Tyson Landrum

            True, but the argument is people are saying the ancient sea is Laynayru, well how salt from there get all the way to the great plateau in Hyrule? Makes no sense since the only it have to happen is for water to carry it…. You see what I’m getting at…

          • Raw4_8guy

            No. Why couldn’t it have been collected by somebody and taken to a different location. I took a vacation to Bermuda and bought a bottle of pink sand from a beach and brought it back home to NY. Why could that not have happened here?

          • Taylor Edwards

            I watched the video where the Rock Salt was found. It was in a large rock deposit at the side of a mountain. Why would someone go to the Lanayru Sand Sea, pick up a massive bolder buried under massive amounts of sand, climb up a random mountain side with it, place it on a leave random mountain side, and then just leave?

          • cdo12

            Tyson, Lanayru is part of Hyrule. Much as Chicago is part of Illinois. The only reason you can only specify Lanayru is because that is the only place in Skyward Sword where you were allowed to use the timeshift stones to go back and see it. It said it was a vast sea. But since you can’t use them in Faron or Eldin, you don’t know for sure if it spread that far. The black rocks you mine the salt from look just like the black rocks you avoid in the game. It’s either a plot point or an easter egg, but it’s not an accident. Also, Lanayru was a mining facility. One would assume they also shipped stuff.

          • Tyson Landrum

            Well apparently Aonuma gave away (slightly) where this game could take place http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/aonuma-zelda-u-will-make-people-want-to-replay-twilight-princess-hd-titles

            Seems it’s the child timeline after all, and a TP sequel.

          • cdo12

            Hyrule is divided into three subsections. Faron, Lanayru and Eldin. Lanayru is in Hyrule.

          • Raw4_8guy

            The placement of rock salt does not confirm that the entire kingdom was covered in water. How did you come to that in the one sentence mentioned that it came from an ancient sea?

          • LunarChao5

            You forget about the Sand Sea in Skyward Sword. While I agree that it’s likely to be in the Adult timeline, it’s possible to be elsewhere. You don’t have to call me dense, I like the theory that it’s in ths adult timeline. I’m on your side fam, all I’m saying is there is no confirmation yet based on one piece of evidence. Different species can appear elsewhere too.

      • Raw4_8guy

        Nah doubtful

  • my booths

    Hey I posted…where did my comment go?

  • Dan

    Seems to me like it takes place after Wind Waker, PH and ST. Spirit Tracks does not take place in old Hyrule, it’s a new land they discovered and so they build off that. But the great sea still hides Hyrule deep below.

    It’s entirely possible that the Master Sword was returned to it’s resting place by someone or something at some point. The great sea has finally receeded so far into the future that old Hyrule has been uncovered and it’s ruins and even some of the ruins the it had hidden in its own hey day have been uncovered.

    That’s what I think.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Good job. You sir are not dumb.

  • TheTruth

    My guess is the great flood from Wind Waker is gone and the land went back to normal. The rock salt makes it seem like there was sea water around. Just my assumption with Koroks floating around. Especially if there are quite a few of them where in WW there was only a handful so they’ve had time to expand and flourish. Either way I’m beyond excited for this iteration.

    • Taylor Edwards

      You aren’t wrong.

  • Manuel Turambar

    Nice work! Yet there are so many points that make me believe the game takes place before OoT: The crests that are displayed around look like the Bird crest from SS, also the Spirit Orbs have the Bird crest imprinted, the Royal Family Crest that comes with the Triforce above the Bird is NOWHERE to be seen. That implies to me that the Royal Family isn’t around or hasn’t been around yet. The strong presence of Goddess Hylia is very odd too, it may be that it’s just because the character itself is kind of newly created and that’s why it doesn’t appear or isn’t mentioned anywhere before SS, but what I believe about it is that since Hylia is everywhere in BotW it must be closer in history to SS, before the cult of the Goddess was forgotten (perhaps).

    The Sheikah technology displayed in the game, even though it’s highly advanced is hinted to be really ancient as well, just like THE ANCIENT ROBOTS from SS!!! When my brother saw the guardians in BotW the first thing he noticed was that the guardians’ heads kind of resembled those little fellas. Those robots are said to have been created by an ancient civilization, what if that civilization was the Sheikah? On this note, one thing that truly troubled me about SS was that if the Sheikah were faithful servers of the Goddess -just as Impa shows to be-, they are not mentioned in the war against Demise while those robots are even portrayed standing at the side of the Goddess, what if the great Sheikah civilization was decimated by Demise and only their robot thingys remained when the Goddess rallied against the Demon King? That would also explain why the few remaining Sheikah are so secretive now just like the Impa that aids Zelda in SS, One more thing that supports this is that all those Shrines around BotW are not that “secret” and well spread over the world, that’s not really “Sheikah-ish” TBH, it just doesn’t go well suited with all the Sheikah trend post-OoT.

    I know this theory is kind of flawed, but so are the ones that place BotW on the other timelines, remember that a great amount of years could span between the Era of Sky and the Era of Chaos, what if a first Hyrule Kingdom was settled by the hylians of Skyloft and then razed by Calamity Ganon? Under those terms it could even be possible that this Link could even be the original Hero Chosen by the Goddess being resurrected to fight against evil once again.

    Anyway, the only truth is that everything is really messed-up and Nintendo did a good job hiding the time-placement of this story. Sorry if I’m not that clear, it’s just that English is not my native language =)

  • David K.

    What if, rather than being a new event it’s one that already happened being retold? What if this is a modernized remake of the first game? Open world in decline, approach it in any order, call back to the original artwork. I’m not married to the idea but thought I’d toss it on the heap

    • vulpiton online

      no way,the great bridge of hylia is in this game,what removes the option of the fallen hero timeline for 100%,it appeard only in TP. i explained everything in my comment.

      • Raw4_8guy

        And koroks only appeared in windwaker and the cracked mountain and “old man” and Link with sideburns only appeared in the downfall timeline. The bride is not conclusive evidence. Bridges could have been built. And there’s nothing saying that it is the bridge of Hylia. The Gerudo bridge in ocarina of time also had water under it that lead to lake hylia

        • cdo12

          There’s a Hyrule bass directly under that first korok. There were no fish in Wind Waker, and Hyrule bass are specific to Twilight Princess. The fake sword in the stone is from LTTP. It’s sandwiched inbetween Ocarina’s Temple of Time with Skyward Sword’s goddess statue in it, and next to the first game’s old man by the fire in a cave. So I think Nintendo is having a good laugh at the timeline people. In a world this big, they could populate it with every character they ever invented and have tons of room left for more. And I am fine with that.

  • SleepySkullhead

    While I had predicted the end of the Adult line before E3, now it looks like this could be at the beginning of the defeated line. This might be the OoT Link brought back since no new hero was reborn in 100 years. It would make sense considering the Old Man (who is totally Kaepora Gaebora, and maybe the King by extension) says that Ganon took over 100 years ago.

    • JaidynReiman

      When we saw the concept art I was thinking “this looks like the Imprisoning War.”

      Kaepora Gaebora is Rauru, btw.

      What’s interesting about the Imprisoning War is that we’re going to have the Koroks and Kokiri show up at the same time. Because we now have Koroks, and the Seven Sages will HAVE to show up if its the Imprisoning War, so Saria, a Kokiri, will be around at the same time as the Koroks.

    • LunarChao5

      Gotta keep in mind, this new Link is right handed, so it can’t really be OoT Link

      • programninja

        Resurrection can only do so much for you 😛

      • SleepySkullhead

        Good point. It otherwise all makes sense though, so we’ll see where it goes I guess.

        • Charley Rettig

          I’ll continue to post this so everyone knows. Link was changed from a lefty to a righty when TP was released. Remained left handed on Gamecube but right handed for the majority of righties using it on the Wii motion controller. Just was more natural to most all players. Also keep in mind the GC and Wii versions were simultaneously released or very close to it. I have no doubt, I have both discs. My GC version is a completely mirrored version of my Wii version. Kinda like the OoT Master quest. Wouldnt doubt if more recent releases have been altered to match Wii version though.

    • programninja

      I’m kind of warming up to this theory, I haven’t finished LttP yet, and I don’t know exactly how they put the decline timeline. And even if they say it happened one way, Nintendo is known for slightly altering lore so the plot makes more sense

      • SleepySkullhead

        The Hyrule Historia says something along the lines of “information as we know it” when the timeline part starts, so that may be a way to handle the altering/retcons.

    • LunarChao5

      It can’t be Ocarina of Time Link, he’s left-handed. Breath of the Wind Link is right-handed. He’s either new or Skyward Sword Link coming back

      • Charley Rettig

        When TP was released on Gamecube and Wii simultaneously, the classic controller Link on the GC was left handed. On the Wii, the stated Link was changed to right handed because most all gamers using WiiMotion would be right handed themselves so it was done in an effort to improve the affect when using the then groundbreaking motion controls of the we. Been a righty since. Once again, am I the only one that heard Miyamotos statements claiming most if not all (except OoT and Majora) feature different links, a line of children or adults that possess certain qualities needed to be the hero in that particular timeframe? Spirit Tracks Link isn’t LttP Link. I’ve even heard Aonuma even make comments about that having something to do with the name Link. During the prerelease of SS he said that Link will share a connection with every one that follows. “They are all “linked” by destiny and the possession of courage. The article is what 5 yrs old now lost to me but the Director Hidemaro Fujibayashi makes similar statement on youtube by searching “SS Timeline Fujibayash multiple hero theory”

  • gtc

    Really excited about this game, I’ll probably buy the NX just for it.

    • LunarChao5

      Same! I’m planning on getting that version cause it will likely look/run better, since it’s a more powerful system. I can’t wait!!!!

  • Derek Cody Stegelmeier

    I love the theories everyone is presenting. I still have a feeling that this happens after TP. My only real reasoning for this is that the art and layout of the land look more similar to TP than any other Zelda game. The three best examples of this I saw from the trailers and play throughs are 1) Hyrule Castle looks exactly as it did in TP and it is in what I would consider a similar location. It even looks like the throne room on the top when the cut scene in the demo zooms in on Calamity Ganon. 2) The master sword was missing from the temple of time in the demo just like it was in TP where it was instead in the forest. 3) In the trailer they show Link riding a horse across what looked to be Eldin bridge, even the positioning of Hyrule Castle in relation to the bridge seems to coincide with where the two were in TP. This of course could all just be because the were pulling ideas from other Zeldas, but the way the land is laid out just feels so similar to TP to me, plus the mood and art direction that I think it will be 100 years after that game.

    • JaidynReiman

      That’s the Great Bridge of Hylia, not Eldin Bridge. So many people make that mistake…

  • Mr. Phats

    Interesting theory. I think it takes place after Twilight Princess and FSA myself. I noticed that at the end of FSA Ganon is merely sealed; not killed. My guess is that sometime after FSA Hyrule became a bit more technologically advanced. Then Ganon breaks out of the Four Sword and wrecks havoc. It just seems like the most likely scenario to me. The only timeline I can’t see it being placed is the Adult Timeline solely for the fact that the Master Sword exists. Otherwise, I would have said “yeah, Koroks and technology, that’s definitely after Spirit Tracks.”

    • JaidynReiman

      If its set in the adult timeline, though, it has to be in the drained Hyrule. The waters have to recede after the fact.

      • Mr. Phats

        Well, I figured it would take place in New Hyrule like Spirit Tracks did, but then I saw the same geographical landmarks as regular Hyrule so I figured that was out of the question.

      • Taylor Edwards

        And they did recede.

  • John Pexton

    I think it takes place after the gerudo hylian war where the kingdom was almost wiped out. Because the old kingdom could reference it in ruin. Because the state of hyrule castle and temple of time was in ruin in twilight princess. So by the time twilight princess came a long the kingdom was thriving again

    • Taylor Edwards

      I think it takes place after Wind Waker.

  • Jort Maas

    Funny, I’m replaying TP hd. There was mention of sheikah and their technological civilization just before I entered the temple of time. Added in the HD version?

  • Vladi Gosha

    The game must take place after four swords adventure. I have sat and exchanged theories for hours with a group of zelda enthusiasts and we have come to a definitive conclusion on our end. If we ignore the appearance of the koroks the game has many references to the child link timeline. The first is the light possibility of wolf link being candid to this storyline which would instantly force the game to be after twighlight princess. This is a minor detail. More importantly we see the master sword which in previous games has only been used to defeat ganon. Not any other antagonist which reassures us that the main villain is ganon. With that being said it has been discussed that in the adult link timeline we weren’t likely to see the return of the master sword nor ganon. While in the child link timeline a new ganon was reborn and only sealed away on the four sword. Seals similar to which have been broken out of before. Now if we look at the temple of time from what is shown there is a courtyard in front of it which was only shown in twighlight princess that was also covered in Moss and starting to determinate. Along with the courtyard having two broken down gaurdians. Which despite having no resemblance to the prior games there were two gaurdians protecting the entrance to the master sword yet again in twighlight princess. Now onto an interesting point. The game has some variation of time travel. How long we don’t know, but it’s not that important. The only other time we have seen time travel is Ocarina of time with the drawing of the master sword. We know there is a fallen hero timeline, but the only revenue we have is that link lost in his battle with ganon and died. Why did he lose if the master sword only happen to be on the other side of some fire. Here’s where the theory gets interesting. With the time travel what if link went into the past somehow and his only way forward was obtaining the master sword once more in a past time. That time being before OOT. So when the hero of time showed up the sword was no longer there and that’s what caused him to lose to ganon. With no way to seal away the evil the hero of time dies and the creation of the fallen hero timeline has an explanation far more in depth than just link dying during his battle without good reason. Further small details include things such as time travel being present in TP with the past temple of time being accessed. The introduction of similar in appearance magic was also introduced when taking control of statues in TP. As well as the twighlight realm had its own futuristic looking magic. I believe the koroks may obtain a new backstory that gives them a reason to be a part of this game. A new reason the korki became spirits that inhabited tree bodies and became known as the korok due to whatever reason link needs to wake up. There was looking the point of the rock salt which can be justified with the sand sea having been in skyward sword and that being the ancient sea that is referred to. If link has only been sleeping for a hundred years the sea in the adult link timeline would not be all that ancient. With all of this I believe it definitively proves the game fallen at the end of the child link timeline.

    • Dan0709

      except wolf link is an amiibo feature, not an obligatory plot point in the game’s story itself…

    • hollander

      The whole time travel stuff is far-fetched speculation and has no real backing.’
      And, as said before, the amiibo’s have no relevance to the story, it’s just a funny extra gimmick.
      It’s similar to how Zant, the MM moon and Demise all appeared in HW.

      Fallen Hero Timeline:
      Link is defeated by Ganon.
      The Sages, according to Hyrule Historia, fight off Ganon and imprison him in the Sealing War.
      The lands were left ravaged during this war.
      These Guardians were probably spawned by the Sages to aid them in their war, hence their name.
      Link, still being the chosen one, was ”rescued” by the sages and put in the resurrection tower, to awake again should the threat arise again (BotW.)

      What’s more, this old wandering man, Kaepora Gaebora, is King Daphnes Nohanssen probably.
      During the war he was disposed of, now he wanders.
      Calamity Ganon was seen swirling around his castle so yeah.
      Whatever his purpose, I bet he’s gonna help Link.

      Since in this theory BotW is a sequel to OoT, it explains the looks of the ToT etc.
      The sages must also have taken up Link’s Sword and put it in its pedestal.

      There’s basically no holes in this theory, except for the Koroks, which are basically bugging all theories here, since an Adult Timeline placement is impossible.

      The Sheikah, having always been loyal to the royals and Hyrule, might, despite being with few, have played a big role in this war for hyrule against Ganon directly after OoT.

      Bridge of Hylia? Yeah, that’s a hole though.
      But maps and geological places always change drastically in Zelda games, wouldn’t be surprised at all.

      • LunarChao5

        You can’t compare Wolf Link to Hyrule Warriors, since HW falls outside the timeline and isn’t canon at all

        • hollander

          I’m trying to make a point.
          Wolf Link is just a fun extra, non canon thingy put into BotW.
          There were many theorists who tried to place HW in the timeline, despite all the mixed elements and characters from all games.
          Meaning: Don’t theorize it, it’s no canon, just an extra.

          • LunarChao5

            I agree, I think it’s most likely that Wolf Link isn’t canon. It would be pretty neat if he were though!

  • Bryan Hoyt

    This probably doesn’t mean much but I took a screen cap of the Temple of Time- but more specifically- What is IN the Temple of Time. OF COURSE- art stylistic choices should not be taken for granted, as we have seen areas change in Hyrule. Mountains seemingly move around and so too do lake. But the Goddess Statue is the biggest connection TO SkyWard Sword this game has seen. Again, it could just be an artistic design choice to reference Skyward Sword but one thing is for sure, the game could not possibly take place after Wind Waker, as a statue this old from so long ago, would not have survived the true flooding of Hyrule. However, it is placed In the Temple of Time right where i believe the Master Sword rests within. There is also the question about the floating mass seen in the sky. http://i.imgur.com/M6m70Me.gif?1 both the statue and the floating mass are seen in this video by Polygon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52UaLUUnpe4

  • Dan0709

    I’m definitely gonna put my bets on the Fallen hero timeline, specifically between The Legend of Zelda or after The Adventure of Link. Someone mentioned that this could be a remake of those games, that would be interesting too, but i’m not a big fan of that theory tho. But being completely sure, this has to be in the “Era of Decline”. It just fits well and the Sheikah, to me, are the most important element to take in consideration…

    • vulpiton online

      you all forget the existence of the great bridge of hylia in the game!!!!! read my comment below!!

      • LunarChao5

        The bridge of Hylia doesn’t mean much. Landmarks change between games often

    • Taylor Edwards

      Fork over your cash because my bets have been on the Adult Timeline for a LONG time.

      • Dan0709

        the points that makes us look to the adult timeline tho, are not as many as the ones that point out to the fallen hero timeline. I would rather wait and see nintendo confirm the real timeline. We just have too many mixed details from different timelines to really pin this game’s placement yet.

      • cdo12

        Give it back.

  • Patrick McCoy

    In the end all this doesn’t matter since I hate the artwork, so probably won’t play the game. I did not play Wind Walker for that very reason.

    • Michael James Kennedy

      haha, you sound worse than a genwunner

    • Taylor Edwards

      You know that’s really immature of you. If you looked at all of my comments on this post you’d probably think I’m being immature too, but you’d be wrong because rudeness does not equal immaturity. Refusing to play a game because it has a cheesy art style is immature. If that’s not why you don’t like it, then please tell me so I won’t think you need to grow up.

  • Kevin

    There are two things what are bothering me…the large hylia statue.
    And what about the sand sea in skyward sword? That was also very advanced with robots
    After it was revealed.

    • Taylor Edwards

      But then there’s this.

  • Ma’goria

    Think the game is somewhere around 100 years after OoT. On which timeline, don’t know. The temple of time ruins on the BotW demo are made to look like the 2d backdrop of the temple of time in OoT.

    • JaidynReiman

      The only real way I see that working is if its Downfall Timeline.

      • Taylor Edwards

        Nah.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Actually, it’s a sequel to Wind Waker.

  • Micah Kettlewell

    What if this game starts a new branch. What if it takes place after Zelda 2 if the Hero Dies… First off we know the rules of there timeline allow this. 2nd if you game over in Zelda 2 it says you have died and that Ganon has returned.

    So what if the death of the hero causes Ganon to return ???

    • Colliric

      I think that given it calls Ganon a ”Calamity Ganon” and portrays Ganon as a shadowy force, that this game most likely occurs after Zelda 2 and Ganon has remained in the shadowy form. Perhaps the Link from Zelda 2 later choose to put himself in stasis, knowing that Ganon would attempt to return again.

      • Charley Rettig

        Stasis, again I’m sure Nintendo made it clear that many different heros I guess you’d say have taken on Link’s role throughout the Legendarium. I dont think the 100 years of slumber is to be taken literally. Of course Nintendo may have changed that stance when they officially finally backed a timeline, a split one of course to make it seem like it was feasible. And I do like what they came up with. But imo no more branches or any stand alone games need be added any time soon. Skipping a game in a storyline and leaving things to be unknown till answered later somehow it what makes Zelda great. I do wish for hookshots, double hookshots!!, a set number of bottles to collect, different tunics-the ole green finally showed up in the last half of the 90 minute demo, please involve the triforce-even if only in the storyline, and something similar to skatullas to collect. Any body else wanna relive some series staples or are you guys looking for the game to go in acompletely new direction as items and enemies go?

    • Raw4_8guy

      Hence the hero is resurrected in the shrine of resurrection as Zelda Universe puts it! Agreed!

      • LunarChao5

        Except this new Link is right-handed so it has to be either a completely new Link or Skyward Sword Link

        • Charley Rettig

          Was changed from left to right handed only because of the use of the Wii controller. Address early after change by Nintendo. Also the identity of Link is taken on by different heros who pocess the needed qualities in nearly every game. Some may be righties and some lefties. I stated this above but also need to add that Nintendo may have scrapped the multiple hero idea when they released the timeline officially. Don’t think so though.

    • cdo12

      It does not say the hero dies per se, but is defeated. That can mean multiple things. For example, in Minish Cap, there was a gate opened every 100 years. If the hero did not make it there in time, he would have to wait 100 years for another chance to fight the bad guy. Doesn’t mean he died. Just failed. Same could be going on here. The old man said this Ganon appeared suddenly 100 years ago. Link has been in a sleep for 100 years. Possibly cause the Sheikah, who are gifted with the foresight of Hylia according to the monks, prepared for just such as that with the chamber.

      • PTR_91

        It literally says that Ganon will be revived by “sacrificing Link and sprinkling his blood on the ashes of Ganon”

        • cdo12

          That was only in one game and involved a specific plan.

    • Charley Rettig

      Not a bad thought but after tons of reading about and watching demos of BotW I really believe at this time at least that this is in the WW timeline, just so far into the future that the waters have receaded. I really think that Nintendo has skipped part of the story by leaving out a future handheld game that will tie things together. I know for a fact that Majora takes place immediately following the defeat of a child link in OoT. This has been made clear by Nintendo. Its easy to get carried away tying one link to the other but remember that Nintendo was adament about the fact that the hero called link is not at all one single individual, the hero’s role is filled by different incarnations of someone that contains the qualities needed to become the link of that particular time…may not apply to all games as it’s pretty clears OoT and Majora link are indeed the same individual. Maybe this was changed for the official timeline but I own a book containing the official story Nintendo finally committed to but dont remember anything that said whether a different hero took links place throughout the Legend or not. The look of link and the color scheme remind me so much of SS. So different and kinda pastel looking colors. But I disreguard that because of the numerous mentions of Ganan, and I don’t agree with the writer who thought Ganan could just be an old word for evil or however he worded it. Why is the wolf link of TP anywhere in this game?? At first thought it makes me want to put this years after Twilight Princess but I dont think the rest of the clues make sense there. BTW, I’ve played every Zelda game in exsistence to 100 percent completion counting the Mirrored and more difficult ones opened up after defeating some games. I wanna say Hero’s Quest but I’m at a loss for what they’re called at the moment. BotW is said to be 10 times larger than TP. I’ve heard the world compared to Skyrim in scope. Honestly I am a very casual gamer. There’s only one thing that sucks me in and makes me love beig a hard core gamer and that’s a new Zelda game, particularly the 3D variety though I never skip a top down handheld either. I play it at my own pace and really couldn’t say which one is the “biggest” world. To me OoT takes the title for biggest but probably because of the child game followed by the adult half, not to mention the insane amount of legend and lore that came from OoT, imo the greatest video game ever made. (Besides Zelda games, The Last of Us would be second). TP I got through really quick but then again I was so ready for it I think I played it nonstop for a long time. SS seems the overall largest simply because by that time the Wii, even though majorly inferrior to Xbox 360 and PS3 was being pushed to it’s limit as far as scope of game. I it just took me more time to collect all items and complete the optional quests because I was having too much fun getting wrapped up in the earliest history of a legend that gets more interesting to me with every game. On SS we knew it wasnt goint to go back any urther than the games story, at least I don’t see how it could. I thought it was a pretty good story, enough alike other games AND also containing the use of the great birds and the near utopia floating in the clouds. So that’s my thoughts, what indeed is the Zelda game with the largest world. Once again, why is it special if it’s similar to Skyrim. Skyrim I never played, but Tamriel I have. Aren’t they the same?

  • programninja

    I’m still standing by the theory my friends and I made, that this is actually far past ST.

    _____At first, as this article mentions, that wouldn’t make sense as this is definitely Old Hyrule, but then this article also mentions the characters that makes this able to happen in Old Hyrule post-ST, those characters are the Koroks. If you remember in WW there was a small quest where you helped the Koroks plant their trees around the world in hopes of reconnecting everyone, and 500 years later who’s to say they didn’t succeed? Whether the Golden Goddesses saw how much they tried and decided to re-lift up Hyrule, if their plan actually relifted Hyrule from some kind of tree magic, or any other possibility it seems Old Hyrule has come back, much like this Link.
    _____By itself this is just a fun theory, but there is more supporting evidence here. The first evidence simply gets rid of the possibility of the old timeline, as in the Treehouse stream after one of the ice shrines, the Old Man mentions that people thought the Sheikah died off, but they never did. What event matches that description but the pre-OoT civil war where the Sheikah nearly died off. It was also said that the Sheikah saved the day multiple times using the power of WISDOM and POWER, this infers that they had access to only the Triforce of Wisdom and Power, meaning that they don’t have the full Triforce but Ganon doesn’t have the power of the Triforce of Power. This takes out a lot of sections of the timeline, leaving post TP, sections of the Fallen Timeline, and post ST as the only remaining possibilities.
    _____The next piece of evidence is the rusty Master Sword. This by itself makes it just seem like an old sword, but this sword has been kept in a pedestal for centuries without rusting a bit; yet there is one place where the Master Sword does not stay in it’s nice pedestal in the Sacred Realm, and that is when it is in Ganon’s head underwater in TWW. Water is a great way to rust and erode a sword, and also to leave an entire continent in ruins, which Hyrule seems to be in when you wake up. Of course some of the ruins were probably from what Calamity Ganon was, but much of the damage is probably from water. As for how the Master Sword went from Ganon’s head to a pedestal, that is rather simple. Ganon is awake meaning the Ganon corpse is safe to touch and take the Master Sword out of and put it where they want when the Hero needs to save the day again
    ______The Temple of Time also seems to be fully intact and look exactly like how it did in OoT, and unless Rauru decided to build his old home exactly how it was this means that post-TP is impossible, as the Temple of Time is mostly destroyed. The adult timeline also seems to be thrown out with this piece of information, but if Hyrule Castle was protected, why couldn’t the Sacred Realm? As it is one of the most important places in Hyrule.
    With all of this info it only leaves the Adult and Fallen Timeline as a possibility, but the Adult timeline has a greater chance as seen by the rusted master sword and Koroks giving out the very things that possibly brought back Old Hyrule. Which is the reason why I believe this is post-ST.

    On a side note the Sheikah backstory seems to take place pre-OoT meaning that this story will reveal the centuries of Sheikah backstory wherever it takes place and will give us insight on the race who seems to be the real protectors of Hyrule.

    Valwin Mediaz also mentioned rock salt, something that usually only appears on land if the land you are in was once covered in ocean which supports this theory.

    • programninja

      basic summary:
      -Hyrule rises up, with Koroks playing a major part
      -Temple of Time was protected underwater like Hyrule Castle
      -everything else was damaged by being under the sea
      -can’t happen before OoT because mention of OoT civil war (sheikah seeming to die off …even though they never did)
      -probably doesn’t happen in Adult Timeline because destroyed Temple of Time
      -while it can happen in Fallen timeline many pieces of info match up with a risen Hyrule better than a fallen Hyrule

      • hollander

        Definitely no TWW sea..

        Ganon: Turned to rock impaled with the Master Sword at the bottom of a SEA.
        Ganon’s pulled some tricks before but that was THE end for him in the adult timeline.

        Also, Link’s crew departed from Outset island and found New Hyrule.
        It can’t explain his presence in normal Hyrule, nor the Old Man, nor his coma sleep.
        And what of the Master Sword?
        It was in Ganon’s head at a bottom of a sea, even if Ganon escaped (chance is very very small.) why would it be resting in it’s familiar pedestal in the woods.

        • David

          Turned to stone, another hero could have accidentally freed the Master Sword to stop another calamaty after old Hyrule rose up. Ganon’s body may have been too damaged, but due to the influence of the triforce of power Ganon could have come back as a spiritual entity hence being called the calamity of Ganon. The sword could have been moved to the forest afterwards by one of potentially many descendants of WW Link, some of which may have returned to Old Hyrule after it was raised up. My guess is this takes place, 600-700 years after Spirit Tracks, which would explain Hyrule’s current state & how advnaced New Hyrule & the Sheikah clan got to be before they were destroyed.

          • hollander

            That’s another, insert-something-random-without-backing-to-fit-my-theory comment.

            C’mon, hmm, how can we explain it?
            Oh yeah just insert some random hero.
            Old Hyrule didn’t rise up, and if it did, the Link was in New Hyrule at the time, and only Link can wield the Master Sword.
            Or Zelda.
            And TWW speaks of no hero prior to the game and after OoT.
            So no, just no.
            700 years after? Wth man.

          • LunarChao5

            You’re doing the same thing. You don’t KNOW that it didn’t rise up. There’s no info about that whatsoever.

          • Charley Rettig

            Man do you not know there are multiple heros that take on the role of link throughout the ages and in seperate split timelines possibly at the same time. Look up your Link facts. He’s not one damn kid turned adult that accomplishing all this as on person. He is the hero that possesses particular qualities at the time of each game. Exception is child OoT and Majora child Link. They are the same hero. May be another example I’m not aware of.

          • hollander

            Confusing response.
            You mean that other heroes (so non-incarnations of Link) fulfill as ”another” Link?
            That’s never been confirmed, or made clear, nor are other heroes able to wield the one and true Master Sword.
            Two Links cannot exist simultaneously.
            We’ve had a ”shade” but that’s it.
            Just being Aang can communicate with dead, shade avatar spirits, does not mean
            more Avatars casually walk around at the same time.

          • Kevin Hanaway

            but this new link isn’t a new embodiement if so why does he appear from the shrine of ressurection? i am a firm believer that this new link is the one who failed to defeat ganondorf.

        • programninja

          Did you not read the first bulletin point?

          If you want my theory on the history and not just the placement, which it seems that is what you are asking, this is it:

          Old Hyrule is risen up by Koroks or other means by the species and/or people who stayed behind, hence there is no longer the sea from TWW. After a bit of restoration, they stumble upon Ganon’s corpse, realizing the importance of the sword somebody pure of heart (while Fi is picky about her owners, there would probably be many worthy to move her that aren’t Links) they pull it out and move it to a place that the Hero can get to easily when evil inevitably does rise again (Although they did not fix the Master Sword up as they did not know how). Fast foward hundreds of years and just like FSA a brand new Ganon is born and eventually becomes Calamity Ganon.

          While at the end it could be different depending on whether or not they want to make Ganon3, but the rest seems pretty solid.

          These people are diffenantly not the original crew from TWW, as most died before ST, which was 100 years away from TWW, so this is a new group that probably came from New Hyrule to see if there is anything else in the world and decided to colonize Old Hyrule.

          • hollander

            Yeah, the Koroks locked on an island just thought, hey, let’s drain a sea.
            Can’t be too hard right?

            Oke, let’s go.

            TWW: Ganon meets his end, or at least, a permanent seal.
            Chances of him ”escaping” are below 1.

            Many people think it’ll take place after TWW, an unflooded Hyrule.
            Daphnes wished Hyrule away, and he send Link and his crew away
            to make a new start. There’s not much chance Hyrule will be unflooded.
            Not to mention everything would be ruins.

            Link left Outset Island, went through the PH, and set foot on a new continent (who knows how far away??) and established a new kingdom there.
            No Old Hyrule, no Temple of Time, no Master Sword, no Sheikah.
            Any post-ST placement is impossible unless they were high and drunk over at Nintendo.

            Let’s the Gods did choose to unflood Hyrule, against Daphnes triforce wish,
            How do you explain the Master Sword’s placement in the pedestal? You said Ganon is dead, yet somehow comes back.
            How do you explain this massive Sheikah presence, the Temple of Time.
            How would you explain Link being in a resurrection tower while his line and descendants are in a new continent (very probably) far away.
            Salt is just a mineral, doesn’t have to stem from an ancient sea.
            Also funny, ”ancient sea.”
            If Hyrule unflooded, it must have been recent from BotW’s perspective, then why ancient?
            Cuz it’s just a reference to SS’s Sand Sea, which, from BotW’s POV is indeed ANCIENT.
            The Koroks can be some Nintendo trick, but then again.
            According to Hyrule Historia they appear in the fallen timeline, and the Koroks were shown on a painting in ALBW.

            My theory about the placement can explain all these errors, and has sense making information in addition to strengthen it even more.
            The only anti-evidence is this Bridge of Hylia, which, ironically, also serves as a piece of anti-evidence against an adult timeline placement.

            And I didn’t sea this huge tower of spirits either in the demo.
            It’s supposed to be near Hyrule Castle, and it’s huge.

          • Tyson Landrum

            How many times has Ganon/Ganodorf been sealed for forever only to escape? Demise cursed them so it would always repeat itself. He was sealed for forever in Oot only to come comeback in WW, sealed for forever only to comeback in TP. He always get’s “sealed for forever”, only to appear again. It’s a endless cycle until (probably) someone wishes for the cycle to end.

          • hollander

            Not ruling out the possibility, but it’s
            dam small.
            And most of the time they were Ganon incarnations, not ”escapes.”
            Having the dam Holy Sword in your head under the sea, stoned is…..A very very good seal, so it’s unlikely he just got out.
            But discussing this is pointless, there’s plenty of other evidence against an adult timeline placement.

          • Charley Rettig

            Might check your antagonists. Someone driven by the evil or overall purpose of Ganan like some games antagonists would not really be Ganan breaking the seal imo. A lot would prob disagree I guess.

      • Taylor Edwards

        Actually it probably does take place in the Adult Timeline, and by probably, I mean it’s technically confirmed.

        • cdo12

          *sigh*

          • Taylor Edwards

            The Lanayru Sand Sea is way too far East to be the Ancient Sea in Breath of the Wild.

          • cdo12

            The whole area was under the sea. The Gerudo lands too. Play the game. The Gerudo lands were right next to the Sealed Temple, which is where Link starts the game. I don’t want to prove you wrong, Taylor, but you’re wrong. Watch a playthrough of both Lanayru sequences. Or better yet, get the game and play it cause there’s a lot of stuff from it in this one. The timeshift stones and the Sheikah in particular.

        • Raw4_8guy

          Nope no confirmation at all except for Aonuma pointing to his shirt which has sheikah logo on it when he was asked about what timeline it falls in. There’s only 1 timeline that doesn’t have sheikah in it…guess which one…the adult

    • Michael James Kennedy

      Well, think about how the Kokiri/Koroks survived in the first place.
      Everyone else went to high ground, but the Kokiri stayed put.
      The Deku Tree Sprout from Ocarina Of Time had grown to be an adult Great Deku Tree, with his dead dad behind him.
      What does the Forest Haven look like?

      2 Great hollow Trees sticking up out of the sea.
      That’s the power of 1 Great Deku Tree…
      Raising enough land to form 2 islands from the bottom of Hyrule valley to the the level of the Great Sea.
      The Great Deku Tree raised himself and his dead dad’s tree-body to be islands on the Great Sea… this effort killed him, so he planted his son inside his hollow form.
      The Great Deku Tree in Ocarina Of Time became the Forbbiden Woods.
      The Deku Tree Sprout in Ocarina Of Time became the Forest Haven.
      The Deku Tree Sprout’s sprout became the Great Deku Tree in Wind Waker.
      and with the help of the Kokiri, now Koroks, he planted more Deku Tree Sprouts all over the island mountain tops of flooded Hyrule.
      Synergy. The power of team work.
      If 1 horse can pull X number of pounds…
      …you would expect 2 horses to pull 2 times as many pounds…
      …but they can actually pull 4 times as many pounds.
      and 4 horses can pull even MORE!
      It’s not additional growth of ability…
      …it’s not even multiplied growth of ability…
      …it is EXPONENTIAL growth of ability!
      …so…
      If 1 Great Deku Tree can raise 1/49th of Hyrule (Forest Haven is 1 square of 49 squares on the map of the Great Sea in Wind Waker… 7 by 7)…
      …1/49th is 2.04081633%…
      …2.04081633 to the power of 9 = ~614
      …the synergy of at least 9 (if not more, depending on how successful they were with future plantings) Great Deku Trees could raise 614% of the Old Hyrule and/or lower the Great Sea… maybe even with some help from Jabun.
      …which means they would have 514% of their energy left to unsalt Hyrule, making it capable of supporting plant life and inhabitable again.

    • Pasi Vilppola

      This is exactly what I thought! I think it all fits pretty neatly in place with Koroks, the geography of the map, Temple of Time and the rusted Master Sword. Seems so obvious.

    • Taylor Edwards

      I have good news for you.

  • Christian Beach

    Why do I get the feeling this game comes after the original Zelda and that this Link is actually the same Link from Zelda 1 and 2?

    • LunarChao5

      Wasn’t that Link left-handed? I have yet to play Zelda I and II so idk

      • Samuel Emmert

        This wouldn’t be the first time link has swapped hands. In OoT, link is a lefty, yet his shade in TP is a righty.

        • LunarChao5

          No, In Twilight Princess he is still Lefty. The Wii version is a mirrored version of the actual game. Play the gamecube or Wii U versions of TP, they are the definitive versions of the game. Link has never switched hands.

  • Silver

    Even though it’s already been mentioned, I want to put in my 2 cents. I agree that this game will merge the timelines. Reason: there are elements from each timeline.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Not a valid argument. I’m sorry that I’ve been so rude, but if you think this game isn’t a Wind Waker sequel, then you’re going to be disappointed.

      • Raw4_8guy

        You are disappointed, we get it. You thought this was a windwaker sequel but it can’t be since phantom hourglass is. Maybe you think it’s a phantom hourglass sequel? But that’s spirit tracks.

  • Anthony Druckenmiller

    So, does anybody else feel like Nintendo is just having a jape? It seems like the only way to make sense of everything is to contradict the timeline in some way, whether it’s in a large or slight way. I’m thinking that Nintendo purposefully included all these references to different bits of the timeline for the sole purpose of keeping us guessing and, in perhaps the best way possible, keep us from spoiling ourselves by looking at all the small details.

    Nintendo, you beautiful troll.

    (For reasoning, they already took towns out. Making new assets is a big step, yes, but we’re talking about Nintendo here. I think they know they’re going to make a few big bucks off of this game.)

    • cdo12

      I do. The hyrule bass next to Korok was a nice touch.

  • vulpiton online

    you need to remember that the great bridge of hylia is in this game, an it appeared only in twilight princess. it have never been built in the fallen hero timeline because of the war genon started after ocarina of time. thus, it must take place between ocarina of time and twilight princess, right? well NO! hyrule is empty and ruined. even if the cities and characters removed from the demo the ruins were houses and buildings, something must destroy them. and the only option in the timeline is a pre to wind waker. at the start of wind waker, we are told that in the past, a fear came to hyrule,ganon. the people prayed for the return of the legendery hero of time,but he didnt appeared. with no hope, while hyrule almost died, they decided to pray for the gods. the gods told to the citizens of hyrule to run away to the high fields and build new hyrule, while the gods will drawn hyrule under water. so i think breath of the wild will take place a short time before the great flood, when hyrule is empty of people and ruined by genon. and as i said earlier, the great bridge of hylia was built between OOT to TP. but it can be before the timeline split.
    to sum things up, i think the breath of the wild will take place a short time before the great flood, when hyrule abandoned,the hero of time is sleeping and nothing can stop ganon instead of the gods.i think this timeline is perfect. we have a lot of secrets to uncover about the plot and there will always be this fear of the upcoming great flood. maybe link will try to stop it? or the whole story is still hidden and there is something else we dont no?(there is)and how does the shiekah tie to it? we will know in 2017

    • MinishDude

      My main problem with a pre-flood timeline placement is that they said no hero appears between OoT and the flood (hence they flood it to contain Ganon), but playing as Link means that the prologue to Wind Waker would be inconsistent. Also, Kokiri evolved into Koroks *after* the flood, because it allowed them to fly across the ocean (I’m also curious if we’ll see the return of the Great Deku Tree? If so, it might be on a high-altitude area that was Forest Haven)

    • Taylor Edwards

      For the longest time all I knew was that it took place on the Adult Timeline, but after seeing this, it’s pretty safe to assume that it’s post-flood.

      • Raw4_8guy

        A flood occurred in a link to the past backstory too so could just as well be end of downfall era

  • Scott Stover

    One possibility is to break convention by merging or meshing all the timelines together, creating a massive world. Ocarina of time separated the timeline; this game can bring them all back together through technology.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Nah it’s a Wind Waker sequel, you seem like a nice happy dude, so I’ll spare you my hate.

      • Raw4_8guy

        Sequel to windwaker = phantom hourglass. Same Link and Zelda and all

        • LunarChao5

          He means it’s after those games in the timeline

  • NewZeldaFan

    Kinda new to this whole Timeline theory stuff, but I kinda had a thought. What if this game took place after Ocarina of time? If Link was apparently sleeping for 100 years, what if he went back to sleep after he was sent back to the past and didn’t wake back up? This could possibly explain why the events of Majora’s Mask happened. So upon Link waking up after (possibly) dreaming the events of Majora’s Mask, he awakens to Hyrule’s ruins.

    • Taylor Edwards

      I won’t give you any trouble, since you’re new to this, but it’s a sequel to Wind Waker.

      • Raw4_8guy

        Nah it’s not. There already was a sequel to windwaker…it’s called phantom hourglass

  • Lamp

    If you look at the official trailer released by Nintendo on Youtube, pause it at 1:23. It might offer up a clue as to when this takes place. If looked at carefully, you can see a slight shadow it two DIFFERENT spots on the Great Bridge of Hylia. Could that be a reference to Twilight Princess when the middle of the bridge was removed? If so, then could that possibly mean that Breath of the Wild takes place AFTER Twilight Princess?

    • Taylor Edwards

      If you look at the official gameplay released by Nintendo on YouTube, pause it at 2:05:57. It might offer up a clue as to when this takes place. If looked at carefully, you can see that it mentions the Ancient Sea. Could that be a references to Wind Waker when the Great Sea flooded all of Hyrule, but then receded due to the efforts of the Koroks? Well uh, yes it is.

      • Raw4_8guy

        No it is probably the ancient lanayru sand sea

      • Kevin Hanaway

        stop bloody trolling

  • David

    I believe it is set after Spirit Tracks in Old Hyrule risen from the seas by the technologically advanced Sheikah tribe.

    • Taylor Edwards

      Spread the word, you’re right.

      • LunarChao5

        This isn’t confirmation, this one bit of evidence doesn’t outrule everything else! Aside from that, I do subscribe to the idea that it is in this timeline. Just don’t act like you’re right and everyone else is wrong because none of us know for sure <3

      • hollander

        Why the F does my comment say: waiting to be approved by ZU.
        Good bye ZU, fucck Not gonna wait in line for approval.
        This is so restricting, debating beomes inconvenient.

  • shon

    Hey, i’m pretty sure the story is around TWW. (the koroks! ) I think that, by a mysterious way we will discover soon, Breath of The Wild is the beginning of a new timeline that starts since TWW. In this timeline, i don’t know how of course but Ganon went out from the petrificated Ganondorf in the bottom of the Great Sea. And i think that the Old Man we meet at the beginning of the game has been the Red Lion in TWW. Except that, the spell he casted touching the triforce created a new timeline because it is not possible to kill Ganon even if he wished it. So the spell did’nt work and in the bottom of the sea, the old and empty Hyrule still lives and broke down the reality to a new one. And Ganon is locked in the castle. The eternal calamity.
    The King of Hyrule, a ghost, is still under the protection of his old wish to the ancient gods an this is why he is still there, and has been very lonely while 100years after TWW, 1000 years after the hero of the time did’nt come back to save the kindgom, waiting for the old sheika emergency technology to work ( what did not happen before he prayed the gods to help him and flood hyrule), resurrecting Link.

    I guess that this King is kind of cursed because somehow he, or his family during the wars, betraded the sheikas. that’s why they are no more.

    he had the time to find the hidden secrets of the sheikas, connected to the godess Hylia…. we need more hints !

  • Scamper52596

    I personally believe that BotW takes place at the end of the Adult Timeline. Plenty of references to suggest this, such as the rusted Master Sword and the mention of an ancient sea (http://i.imgur.com/qxEqTpD.png). The biggest reference of course being the Koroks. While I agree that the Kokiri could’ve just evolved into the Koroks in another timeline, the problem I have with that here is the fact that in every 3D Zelda game with its own art style objects and characters have their own unique look and style as well. The Koroks in this game are unmistakably identical to the ones seen in Wind Waker, which is both unprecedented and tells me that the developers really want me to identify them with being from that specific game. I feel as if the developers would’ve redesigned them at least a little if this game were to take place in another timeline. That being said, the developers could still redesign them for the full release, but considering the game is pretty much done as of now I doubt they’re going to do that.

    There are other things in BotW that seem to bring up even further connections to WW. HMK brought to my attention in his theory video he made last month that Sheikah design elements and technology seen in BotW bear a resemblance to the Tower of the Gods in WW. (http://i.imgur.com/TqZVOLP.png) (http://i.imgur.com/KKhtLvP.png?1) Here’s a link to his video if you’re interested in what he has to say about it (https://youtu.be/DYuBKN63AWg). As far as I’m aware, this is the only time we’ve seen these specific patterns and designs that are used in BotW, which might be the reason Aonuma pointed to the Sheikah symbol on his shirt. He wanted us to look at the patterns and find the WW connection.
    Not to mention that the enemy designs look like they could’ve been designed for WW, and the cel shading is also reminiscent of WW. Zeltik may have even found another small WW reference in his analysis and breakdown of the trailer at around the 1:40 mark (https://youtu.be/g-OPBwV6ueM?t=1m40s).

    My theory as to what we might be seeing here is the Hyrule that was flooded to hide it after the flood receded due to the Koroks accomplishing their task of drying it up. We don’t know much about what Hyrule was like post OoT and before WW. Maybe the Sheikah somehow had a larger role in Hyrule’s development right before the flood. You have to admit it’s interesting how the Tower of the Gods rises up from the ocean, and similarly the Towers of Resurrection rise up from the ground here. Perhaps a lot more stuff happened in Hyrule’s history after OoT and before WW than we realize, and the decision to flood Hyrule was only partly due to sealing Ganondorf but also to cover up some unwanted history…

    The last thing I want to bring up is that while I disagree that BotW is going to be a reboot to the franchise, I do think in a way it’s meant to be a retelling of the original NES Zelda. I don’t think it’s going to replace the original though. Instead I think the developers are going for a similar telling of a Hyrule in a desolate and declining state, but at the end of another timeline parallel to the end of the Downfall Timeline. It’ll follow similar beats such as meeting the Old Man at the beginning of the game and being open world and such, but have a completely updated story of its own. So it’s kind of like no matter the outcome of OoT, whether the Hero of Time was defeated or prevailed, Hyrule was always destined to undergo a declining era by the end of either the Downfall or Adult Timeline. I feel as if that’s the thematic element the developers are going for with this one.

    Of course this is still all just my own speculation and could change once we learn more information, but the way I understand it as of now I think this is going to be a sequel to WW/ST. Of course because it’s a sequel, I think things like Calamity Ganon, the big Sheikah presence, and why this Link wakes up in the Shrine of Resurrection will be explained through backstory with possible subtle connections to WW.

    • Scamper52596

      Sorry that a couple of the images ended up at the bottom somehow. First time posting here, and I didn’t even make an account yet. Still getting used to everything.

    • Raw4_8guy

      You are forgetting that at the end of the adult era there is a new hyrule with new landmarks (no master sword, no temple of time) none of that since a new continent was discovered at the end of the timeline. Unless Nintendo is retconning or doing something drastic with the story (such as having someone discover the triforce and wish for the events of windwaker to never have happened…thus retconning windwaker, then this has to be in the child or downfall timeline

      • Scamper52596

        I’m obviously going off the theory that the Hyrule in BotW is the unflooded Hyrule from OoT. If that’s the case we would see all the same landmarks and Master Sword.

        • Raw4_8guy

          Lol here is my problem with that. In my opinion, there will be no unflooded hyrule post windwaker. That is basically retconning the windwaker, phantom hourglass, spirit track story. Hyrule Historia basically gave the impression that the kingdom of the goddess and blood of Hylia is nomore and gave the impression (to me anyway) that moving forward, that timeline would be a new world. Which makes sense to me. Two of three timelines have the same hyrule, Ganon, triforce, master sword story. The other timeline is free to do new things. Who would not want that? My money is on Nintendo wanting that freedom to be completely creative with that timeline (adult). New Link, new kingdom, new land (“New Hyrule”) and new villains

          • Scamper52596

            They wouldn’t have to retcon anything. BotW could take place way after ST where the old Hyrule has become recolonized. In fact, I feel that gives the developers the most freedom to create a new story based off the old Hyrule. We know literally nothing of what happened to Hyrule between the time period of OoT and the Great Flood other than Ganondorf returning with no Hero to oppose him. Because of that, the story writers have almost no restrictions and way more freedom to write about a familiar Hyrule that we don’t know anything about since all the characters and NPC’s in WW forgot about it. In the other two timelines, the writers have to account for all the lore already established. In the Adult Timeline there’s hardly any lore to adhere to when it comes to the flooded Hyrule. What little lore of old Hyrule we got from WW already seems to have been accounted for in BotW (Tower of the Gods and Sheikah Shrines/Towers of Resurrection seem very similar). It makes more sense to me to finally give us a more epic follow up to Wind Waker than what either PH or ST could provide us. Those games were alright, but fell way short of the standards set by WW since they were smaller handheld based titles. I see BotW as their second chance to give us a sequel to WW that people will cherish and remember as a major staple in the Zelda franchise.

          • Raw4_8guy

            Before the flood then not after it. This game could be between ocarina of time and windwaker. That’s a different story. This could fit before the flood yes but not after the flood and still in ancient hyrule

          • Scamper52596

            I’m not at all suggesting that this game could fit in between OoT and WW. I said it would have to take place long after ST in a recolonized Hyrule after the flood recedes. And nothing you’ve said to me can prove that a story taking place in an unflooded Hyrule of the Adult Timeline isn’t a remote possibility.

          • Raw4_8guy

            Read the post that I just wrote literally seconds ago. I explain it in depth. The main focus though is that ancient hyrule isn’t at the bottom of the ocean at the end of windwaker. It was wished by the triforce to be washed away. So even if the ocean receded….it won’t be there. The king apologized to Link and Tetra for not being able to leave them his kingdom as he wishes on the triforce to wash it away….not bury it or hide it….wash it….AWAY. That was the wish. Nothing can turn that around. Before you reply to this, scroll and find my latest post where I explain it with specific quotes from the game

    • Raw4_8guy

      Before the flood then not after it. This game could be between ocarina of time and windwaker. That’s a different story. This could fit before the flood yes but not after the flood and still in ancient hyrule

  • Taylor Edwards

    It’s confirmed to be a sequel to Wind Waker.

    • Raw4_8guy

      Nah it’s not at all after windwaker

  • SageOfThunder

    There are hours upon hours of game footage. Some from official sources, and some from people who were on the show floor. But do remember that what was shown at E3 was a mere 2% of what is in the full game. Also remember that it is just an E3 demo, and things may change in the official game when it comes out next year.

    With that being said, I will still add in to the conversation of where I think this game MIGHT take place.

    I’ll admit that as of right now, I’m biased toward BotW being placed within the adult timeline in a Hyrule that was uncovered from the waves by the mission of the Koroks to connect the islands. (Whether they planned on having the ocean drain because of this or it was a lucky mistake they made isn’t known that I know of)

    The Temple of Time and Hyrule castle seem to be very well preserved even being under a giant sea for hundreds, possibly even close too a thousand years. But as we learn in OoT, the Temple of Time is the only way to the sacred realm. I’m sure the only link to such a holy place wouldn’t be so easily destroyed. It survived Ganondorf’s takeover of Hyrule in OoT untouched while the rest of the castle town was burned to the ground. So if we think of it that way, you can see why even an entire ocean over it only barely left it in decay.

    I am not sure how the castle would have survived though. It could be that when its submerged, the time in and just around the castle is stopped. We see in WW that time is completely stopped when we first get to the castle due to the seal on it being locked by the master sword. The seal placed on hyrule may again have been renewed when the ocean started to raise above it again during the final battle in WW, with time stopping as the surface of the water rose over it. (That is speculation, which I usually don’t like to use, but time for hyrule does stop when under the ocean so it may not be to far fetched)

    This would also be why our new(?) hero may have been asleep for way over 100 years compared to the people above the ocean. He would have been placed within the shrine of resurrection, and then the land of hyrule would be sealed underneath the waves, along with his time clock. When the seal was broken by the Hero of winds, his time would start up again. So for the few days that Hyrule was not in a time lock, BotW link may have gotten a few days passed for his time to be sleeping. But when the waves rose over Hyrule sealing time again (as I said to may happen in the above paragraph) it would give the Koroks enough time to drain the waves that sealed Hyrule in time, Calamity ganon to break the seal of time and of the master sword that was shoved in his head, he then proceed to wreck some stuff and be sealed within the confines of Hyrule castle. All within the relative 100 year time the hero was given to sleep (Possibly even resurrected from a previous incarnation)

    There is also the rock salt item, but its not like you can only find rock salt at the bottom of a dried ocean. Salt is everywhere. So a picture of the rock salt item is NOT conclusive evidence to support the Adult timeline theory, unlike someone would like you to believe. I won’t name names, but you know who you are.

    That is just my two cents on the issue. I tried to pull all my knowledge together to give some reasoning as to why it might be in the adult timeline. But it is based of an E3 demo that was said to show less than 2% of the final game. I’m open to criticism and questions!

  • Michael Cortorreal

    At first I thought that the game was going to be in the Fallen Hero Timeline, right after Zelda: The Adventure of Link.
    In that game, Link goes on a quest to save Zelda who is in slumber, this Zelda is the same as the Zelda from the original Zelda for NES.
    In this game, the plot is that while Link travels to save her, the minions of Ganon are trying to kill him, because with his blood they could revive Ganon, when you die in the game a “Game Over” with Ganon’s face appears.

    Did Link got killed or badly wounded after the events of Zelda 2? He then being carried by Impa (who we imply that she is a Sheikah, servant to Hyrule Royal Family and Crown and her specially who takes orders directly from Zelda) to the resurrection chamber to be restored, but his injuries were so terrible it took a 100 years to heal themselves?

    Since Ganon was revived at the end of Zelda 2, we can guess by past games timeline wise there are sages who fight against Ganon. Was there a final fight against Ganon in Hyrule Castle? And since they could not defeat him, sealed him there? In the wait that Link would indeed recover to fight alongside them.

    This can happen IF we leave behind the fact that Koroks are in the game, maybe Koroks are just like Gorons and Zoras now, that appear in all timelines in one form or the other.

    The theory #2 is indeed on the Adult Timeline, but this was of course because of multiple hints on the demo. For example, the existence of Koroks, the rock salt AND the description of the blue shirt Link wears in BotW.

    The theory #3 Is in the Child Timeline, but there is little evidence as of right now to me that it would be taken place there, aside from the bridge of course.

    What happens to the Master Sword then? How would you explain its not at the Temple of Time? Well, multiple sources (including the manga from Hyrule Historia) indicates that not only the chosen Hero of the Goddess can HOLD the sword, he is the only one who would WIELD it though.

    In BotW, the Temple of Time is indeed in ruins, and there seems to be multiple structures that look like houses, this indicates there was a town near it. The Temple itself is covered by Guardians frozen in time, at first I thought that Ganon used them to attack the Temple to get a hold on the Master Sword, one of the only means to defeat him, but others counter argued this by saying that Guardians are to protect something, not attack something.

    So maybe Ganon himself first went to the Temple of Time to destroy the sword, residents or monks in the Temple prepared for his coming, taking the sword somewhere else safer and activated the Guardians in order for em to have time to escape. Not finding the sword where it would normally reside, he then went to Hyrule Castle were safes locked him up.

  • Richard Rahl

    I believe it’s pre-Ocaina of time.
    For one thing: after OoT we only here about the three goddessess Farore, Din and Naryu and now they said Hylia.
    Second: OoT is the birth story of Ganondorf, the human form. It doesn’t need to be the first story for Ganon.
    Third: There is an unknown timegap between SS and OoT that would perfectly explain the deteriorated state of the master sword. To futher boost this point: the only time the master sword failed was in WW, but it didn’t rust or ship, only the power of evils bane was lost.

    This is my take on this: In SS we see the birth of the master sword. It was created to vanquish Demise. And it did it’s job: Demise is dead. What they didn’t forsee is the need for the blade in the far future to battle the reincarnation of Demise, so the blade didn’t need to keep it’s power for a prolonged amount of time. THe blade lost it’s power in a decade or so and turned into a normal blade. Now in BotW we need to recreate the power for the master sword, but this time make it last forever.

    Futher, the post SS and pre-OoT would also be the best explanation for the tech in the world: we only see technoligy in SS.Gondo had the smart to fix a piece of equipment that was beyond their era. If anybody could create guardians for some threat to fight it would be him (or his offspring if he thought them).
    The giant amount of land would also be explained: THis is the first time we see the entire land that they first descended onto since SS and later shrunk to what we know as Hyrule in ooT

  • Jennifer

    Honestly, I don’t feel like it really fits into any timeline well. I think (hope) it starts a fourth timeline after Ocarina. What if something happened in the Temple of Time and Link didn’t wake up as an adult and was instead cast into a 100 year slumber? I don’t really have basis for my theory other than if they’re going for the whole multiverse thing, it is a possibility, and a cool one.

  • Tyson Landrum

    A lot of the tech we see in BotW looks like the same tech in the tower of the God from WW. People wanna say this is the link that failed to save Hyrule, but the voice in BotW ask Link to save Hyrule “once again”. Someone who failed can’t save “once again”, which leads me to believe this is #1 Kid link who left Hyrule to find Navi, or this is the Link who never showed at all in the prologue of WW, or its Twilight Princess Link. But we’ll find out soon enough!!

    • Raw4_8guy

      Or it’s the link from the NES games

      • LunarChao5

        Can’t be, lefty vs righty.

        • Raw4_8guy

          Amberdextrious – being lefty or righty doesn’t prove anything. I know plenty of people that can write with both hands. I guess Link from links awakening can’t be link from a link to the past because his hair color is not the same (sarcasm)

  • K Nichole Howard

    Long before the official timeline, everyone tried to fit the games into a single unified story. Nobody considered the option of a split in the timeline. Then we were told that Ocarina of Time had two different endings: the adult world Link leaves behind, and the child world Link returns to. Still, people argued about Zelda 1 and 2, and Link to the Past.

    For whatever reason, people refused to think of the Zelda timeline as branching. But then it was revealed to be another branch. Today, we know there are currently three branches following the events of Ocarina of Time.

    Leading to Wind Waker, Link defeats Ganon, and returns to the past. Ganon isn’t completely defeated, so he’s SEALED away during the great flood. The official Hyrule Historia timeline uses these bolded words.

    Leading to Twilight Princess, Link defeats Ganon, returns to the past, and together with Zelda, they warn the king of Ganondorf’s future actions. To PROTECT THE SACRED REALM, they attempt to execute him. The execution fails, so instead they imprison him somewhere he can never get to the sacred realm.

    Leading to Link to the Past, Ganon defeats Link. The forces of Hyrule remaining band together in the Sealing War to SEAL Ganon away. It’s a hard fought victory, but it works. He breaks free anyways and gets into the Sacred Realm, turning it into the Dark World.

    That leaves open a spot where Ganon defeats Link and the forces of Hyrule band together but don’t seal Ganon away. Either the Sealing War never happens, or they fail, and lose. Instead, they protect the Sacred Realm and the sacred treasure, the Triforce, by taking it to Hyrule Castle and keeping Ganon out. As Link’s reincarnations are dependent on the spirit of the hero rising to defeat evil when it shows up, the only reason the hero hasn’t reincarnated is because he’s still fighting the same threat. It’s never been quelled. Ganon won and the world has fallen apart into a wilderness. The Bokoblins have taken over and built camps and homes, the Kokiri’s home has been ravaged and they needed to evolve into the Koroks to remain safe while still doing their job for the forests, and the Sheikah – warriors of the goddess Hylia predating Skyloft, guardians of the goddess incarnate Zelda, and protectors of the royal family and assistant to the hero Link – knowing full well about his reincarnations realize why he hasn’t reincarnated and conclude they need to resurrect him in order to stop Ganon.

    It’s a new timeline split. And once again, nobody is considering it as if the timeline can’t get any more complicated, when really it closes the gap in the timeline. The new Sheikah symbol has to do with the fact that it’s a new timeline, a new history. It hasn’t shown up before because Breath of the Wild doesn’t belong in those other timelines.

    He showed that they’re doing something new with the story, something familiar yet just different enough, and nobody has dared to think that it means they’re doing something new with the story, something familiar yet just different enough to be a new timeline split following Ocarina of Time.

  • Raw4_8guy

    You took the words right out of my head! I agree 1000 %

  • Raw4_8guy

    My money is on the Link of breath of the wild is the same Link from the NES games being resurrected. His blood is what is needed to resurrect Ganon. Basically if he dies Ganon returns….as the game said whenever you die in the game. So instead of constantly being hunted, he decided to be put to sleep for 100 years and now will be awakened hoping that a way to finish off Ganon for good has been found.

    Calamity Ganon? It makes sense. In this timeline Ganon is a raging beast without intelligence or even memory of his human days as ganondorf (as stated in hyrule historia). He has been empowered by Demise, then resurrected by twinrova – improperly which led to him being a rampaging monster, then was resurrected yet again and combined with Yuga in a link between worlds….with all these resurrections and combinations….calamity Ganon makes sense now.

    Furthermore, the old man (also a character from downfall timeline) says the kingdom is in decline (the state of the kingdom in the downfall timeline) and the kingdom looks very close to the way it is imagined in the downfall timeline….cracked mountain and all paying homage to the original game. Link was asleep just like Zelda from Zelda 2. Link has his trademark sideburns which is only seen in the hero of the downfall timeline games. Link is being awaken (Links Awakening another downfall game) by Zelda through a telepathy message which has only occurred so far in the downfall games….true some of my points are not definitive enough but for me, there is enough nods to the downfall timeline. I see what Nintendo is doing – they are revisiting and retracing the originals and I love it. I been waiting for a Zelda 2 sequel since 1988

    • LunarChao5

      Sorry bud, that Link is a lefty, this Link is a righty. He must be a new Link or Skyward Sword Link.

      • Raw4_8guy

        Lefty or righty is irrelevant. Twilight princess link was lefty in GameCube and right in the wii version. You want to be a stickler about it? He can be amberdextrious

        • F-Lambda

          Interestingly, it’s only the sword that he ever uses like a left-handed person. Everything else he does righty. For example, Link in OoT uses his bow right-handed (drawing with the right hand) as well as the slingshot. He also opens doors with his right hand. The only reason he uses his sword with the right hand is that that’s the hand with the Triforce of Courage.

      • Raw4_8guy

        Look at the artwork above of NES Link looking on the great pillar toward the cracked mountain. Seems like he is carrying his sword in his right hand….so much for lefty vs righty debate

      • Raw4_8guy

        He isn’t skyward sword Link as he has been slumbering not for 100 years AND Ganon brought ruin to hyrule 100 years ago as well. So it cannot be skyward Link as the time does not match up. Skyward sword Link did not save hyrule from Ganon. He did save Hyrule from Demise but that was more than 100 years ago if Ganon is here and the temple of time is in its current state.

        It’s not a new Link as it was said that this Link is the hero of Hyrule who saved the world from destruction (game demo) and the old man asks Link if he recognizes calamity Ganon (suggesting that this Link previously battled or atleast knew of Ganon). So not Skyward sword Link. Not spirit Track link either. That limits it to windwaker Link but we know that can’t be right as he discovered spirit track hyrule and battled Malladus…not Ganon.

        Could be hero of time in decline era after his battle that he lost to Ganon.

        Could be a link to the past link or a link between world or even the nes link (righty or lefty does not mean anything…if I decide to start writing and throwing or batting lefty even though I’m a righty I can very well do so and you can tell me that I’m not the same person that once did those things righty)

        It could be twilight princess link or even 4 sword adventure link. But those are basically the options. It could be a new link referring to a battle with Ganon that we know nothing about and that never happened in a previous game before, but where’s the fun in that? I don’t think Nintendo will go that route.

        We are all entitled to our opinions but mine is with NES Link

  • Raw4_8guy

    Look, I’m done arguing the same stuff over and over. I’ll spell it out one last time:

    The triforce is the most sort after item in the history of hyrule and the Zelda story. It was the cause of many wars due to its power.

    “The Triforce has the power to grant the wish of whomever touches it, and molds the Sacred Realm to reflect that person’s heart. The Triforce does not discriminate between “good” or “evil”. However, if a person without an equal balance of power, wisdom, and courage makes a wish, the Triforce will split into its three separate parts: the piece that best personifies the wish-maker will be the only piece to remain in hand, whilst the other two will take residence in whosoever most personifies them. ”

    We all recognize and acknowledge this correct? With that said….at the end of the windwaker The king wishes for what was left of Hyrule to be washed away to prevent Ganondorf from claiming it. He also wishes for Link and Princess Zelda to have a future. As Hyrule continues to be drowned by the sea, Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule apologizes that the inheritance left by their ancestors would be no more. (See windwaker).

    King Daphnes made a wish on a completed triforce to wash away the remains of hyrule and for Ganon to drown with Hyrule. Link and Tetra then discover a new world.

    The koroks mission as I previously quoted was not to dry out or drain the land. It was to plant seeds to spread the deku trees forest so to connect the islands (see Windwaker). These are facts not theories. That is what is said in game.

    The only way the ancient land of hyrule can resurface is if somebody else found the triforce and wished it so.

    But who would that be? The only people that new of ancient hyrules existence and that it was wished to be washed away in the first place were:

    Link and Tetra: They died after discovering new hyrule as we met their great grandchildren in spirit tracks.

    King Daphnes: whom wished upon it in the first place and then remained to drown at the bottom of the sea.

    And Ganondorf: Whom is dead and turned to stone at the bottom of the sea.

    There is nobody else that would know if ancient Hyrule in that time period let along know enough to wish it back from being washed away

    • Raw4_8guy

      I’m gonna go 1 step further and recall a quote from King Daphnes: “And Ganondorf may you drown with Hyrule!”

      So now I’m gonna point out the strong possibility that that was the annihilation of Ganon in that timeline.

      If you played Spirit Tracks, you know Malladus is referred to as the Demon King and Chancellor Cole is a member of the Demon Tribe. Ganondorf was obliterated by the triforce in Windwaker which left Demise to find a new host….Malladus. Now that is only a theory and not a fact but it would make sense. Demon King Malladus is what he was referred to. All possible that Malladus is Demise. If that can be true than Ganondorf/Ganon/Calamity Ganon won’t exist after windwaker

  • cdo12

    Just something interesting I saw. If you watch the part of E3 on cooking, after the guy gets attacked by the bees, he runs away to a big tree and says, very clearly HE fell. Not it. Is that the dead Deku tree?

  • Chip Henderson

    Is it possible that these three timelines end up joining back together? The OoT is where they each go in separate paths, but maybe this is where they unite and have distinct characteristics of each.

  • Ganondorf Dragmire

    The hell’s with that airship in the distance?

  • Ranulf Lewis Flanagan

    It could also be that the timelines are not as clear cut as imagined, and concepts, beings, places, etc are entwined and interlinked through the ages. I dunno, very vague possibility.

  • Slim Chtourou

    it’s a theory but BOTW could actually take place before skyward sword
    2 arguments that support this theory:
    -in the trials, the name of goddess “hylia” is always mentioned by the monks. that name appeared only in skyward sword

    -in BOTW, there is reference to high technology, the only game where we witnessed such technology is in lanaryu desert in SS, and even that, was the past era: when link first came, it was a desolated abondonned desert, by activating the time stone, the place around is shown as it was in the past: electricity, robots, hostile robots (especially in lanaryu mine), suggesting that there was a prosperous era, followed by a decline also, so in the end, there is room for more titles before SS

    of course all of this remains speculation, the author as well as comments here proposed different timeline with plausible arguments, facts and reference to other zelda titles. while all this debat is fun, I guess only time will tell us the truth, whether by uncovering the full story of BOTW upon its release, or if nintendo decides to update the official time line

  • Silvertide

    This was very well written and you pointed out stuff I haven’t heard before.
    The only thing I want to mention is that, why would Link put himself to sleep to defeat Ganon later? It is common knowledge that both the Hero of Legend and Ganon revive again and again in an endless battle. There would be no need for Link to put himself to sleep. Each Link only goes on as many adventures as needed in their natural lifespan from what we’ve seen. Links have never worried before about needing to re-defeat Ganon in the future. They just die and a new Link reincarnates.
    That’s why it got me thinking. In what situation would there be a need to put Link to sleep so that he could be used later? There’s no definite answer, but I think it would have to do with that Link in particular. He would have been put to sleep because only he is the Link that can get the job done. But what would be so special about this Link?
    Maybe the reincarnation system has gone wrong, and if this Link dies another Hero can never be reincarnated again, and that was why he had to be put to sleep, because if he dies they would never have another Hero again. Maybe this Ganon is capable of preventing the Hero from being reincarnated.
    Other than that, I don’t know what would make this Link so special that they’d put him away for later. There’s no reason to save Link’s life from natural disaster or Ganon. If Link fails or dies, he fails and dies and a new Hero reincarnates later. But this Link is important for some reason.

  • The truth

    Why does it have to be part of a time line? Maybe it’s the final part of the time line conecting the 3 others and what’s left of hyrule, everything looks futureistic. Or it could be another world, another Link and another hyrule with the same history it doesn’t need to be logical. The Legend of Zelda is real/fantsy world.

  • Kevin Hanaway

    I am a firm believer that this Link is the Fallen hero, and this game is a prequel to ALTTP. I also feel this game takes place exactly the same time as WW and Twilight Princess in their own respective timelines. Why you ask, well first we have the wolf link, now i know some of you are thinking oh it just an added extra, but what if it is not? What if this calamity ganon sealing has caused a rift in the other timelines, this would explain the appearance of wolf link along with the appearance of the Korok in BOTW, Maybe when Zelda and the sages sealed Ganon they underestimated his power and now need a hero to help seal him in the Dark world ready for LTTP to take place. The sealing repairs the rift in the adult timeline and child timeline respectively. I also feel that is why the npc and towns were removed due to the connection being made, linking all three games.

  • Patricia Medlin

    I think the story line will follow after skyward sword, since that was the last game made. I think people are forgetting that the wind waker and twilight princess are remakes for the wii u, skyward sword came after these two. If I remember right, at the end of the game Link and Zelda return to Skytown, so there was only Granny and the boy left in the land below the sky, so if no one is there for a hundred years, it would be a forest.

  • Ninten

    It’s impossible to link all three timelines together seeing how two of them take place 7 years further than the child timeline. Unless time travel is involved.

  • Calamity Gannon

    I Hope This takes place in a downfall branch of the Adult timeline where Gannondorf Defeated and Killed Wind Waker Link got his wish to Restore Hyrule got the Full triforce in his hand and with No Link Zelda or Sages to stop him because he killed them, he became so powerful when he touched the full triforce he evolved from Gannon to Calamity Gannon meanwhile the King of red lions or the King of Hyrule clones the Link from wind waker and the Clone wakes up 100 years latter.